The Pumyra Fan Thread

I agree. I liked the finale but was a bit disappointed that it wasn’t a three parter. It felt too rushed. I wouldnt have minded more time in Avista city.heehee I was actually a little upset when Pumyra betrayed them. I think I was angry because this is the second time I’ve invested in a love interest for lion-O and it ended up not going anywhere again.

I think she definitely needs redemption and she’s definitely being controlled by Mumm-Ra. I mean, Mumm-Ra is the one who captured her soul. If she doesn’t obey him her soul might be forfieted. I remeber an episode where one of the elephants or it might have been Kit that said, " if lion-o still has a soul, he still has a chance". I’m sure this would be the same for Pumyra. She needs to free her soul from the clutches of Mumm-Ra. I believe she will sacrifice herself because this is her “hero’s” journey.

I have a feeling she will end up with Lion-O in the end and if that actually happens they will be the resurrected king and queen of Thundera.

I’m kinda glad about how WilyKit was made as a character. Her loyalty to Lion-O is boundless.

I agree as long as you promise not to support WilyKit/Lion-O shippers :eek: :thumbsdown:

No way! That’s like looking at a juvenile teacher/student forbidden romance!:eek:

I do believe that Pumyra is being controlled, but let’s consider the possibility that maybe she isn’t. Most of us want to believe that Pumyra is being controlled, but is it because it works better story and character wise, or is it because we’re in denial?

Pumyra died as she watched Lion-O leave Thundera, believing he had abandoned her and his people. Now, this isn’t really too different than what we originally thought, that she had just been captured and enslaved. Could dying while she watched Lion-O leave really have pushed her beyond being able to forgive Lion-O?

There’s also the time they spent together. Assuming that Pumyra was acting totally of her own free will the whole time, this would mean that any time she was nice to Lion-O was an act. Maybe not some things like helping the baby bird frog, but whenever she promised her loyalty to him or admitted when his beliefs could be true.

This would imply that Pumyra does not really believe in mercy, and that comes up again when she was willing to sacrifice Avista for the Tech Stone. We can see it as Pumyra switching between her real self and being controlled, or as her letting her act slip. If Pumyra truly is willingly working for Mumm-Ra, that basically means that every act of heroism and sacrifice Lion-O made to protect her did not change her opinion of him at all. She would have seen him as naive, and only acting out of guilt.

Could Pumyra be so driven by her hatred of Lion-O that she not only was unswayed by his actions, but would work for Mumm-Ra just she she could take her revenge? What I’m getting at is, is this believable? Perhaps if they had written it differently, like if Pumyra had been more reluctant, it would have, but Pumyra seemed way too happy to betray Lion-O. If she was willing to do all this for revenge, it kind of ruins Pumyra’s character. After we gained so much sympathy for her, if her true self is a hate filled, unforgiving traitor who shows no mercy or compassion, then I don’t think I could hold any sympathy at all for her.

And that is why I pray that Pumyra is being mind controlled. I honestly cannot believe that anyone could willingly stoop to that level just for revenge. I cannot believe that Pumyra would willingly call Mumm-Ra master and kiss his hand after he obviously destroyed her home and caused her death. I cannot believe that any decent person would be so incredibly cold hearted that she couldn’t see what a good person Lion-O was after risking his life to save not only her but the rest of the Thunderian slaves on more than one occasion.

If that really is the case, then I don’t think that I could keep watching the show, because it would be such horrible storytelling. I know that ThunderCats hasn’t always had a great plot, but this would push it to a whole new depth of utter crap if Pumyra was completely willing in Mumm-Ra’s scheme. It would destroy every single bit of sympathy I have for her, ruin her character, and make it all feel like such an incredible waste. Pumyra would have been totally despicable even before the fall of Thundera, a racist, merciless cat, worse than Tygra ever was back then, and as bad as Grune, if not worse. It makes Pumyra so incredibly shallow and absolutely robs her of any depth. Gone is the character development, just thrown out the window.

And so that is a good reason to believe in the mind control theory. It’s not just because we like Pumyra and want to see her turn good; it’s because the theory allows for Pumyra to keep her character development, and it was good stuff. I don’t want all her growth with Lion-O to all go to waste simply for the sake of drama. Pumyra put Lion-O’s leadership to the test, and he proved himself. He showed his willingness to sacrifice himself, his dedication to his people, and his compassion. being with Pumyra made Lion-O a better king in the end. That’s something special, that’s something the crew did right. They can’t just throw half of that away for the sake of drama. If they did, then they really are a bunch of talentless hacks.

So, here’s to Pumyra one day being redeemed, freed of Mumm-Ra’s control, and regaining all that character development that made us fans of her in the first place.

I really would like if it was mind control, but with the way the writers handle things for shock value/drama I’m not sure. If what you’re saying is true i’d be very unhappy. I’d rather not have another ship in this show sunk for the sake of “Lion-o needs to learn a lesson” or “this will make it more interesting”. They need women on the directing/writing team, since the guys on there no nothing about how to make them good characters – just reducing them to stereotypes or girlfriend roles.

I KNEW IT! I knew there was something wrong with her. And I dont feel like they are going to bring her back around. Even if they did, not sure if Lion-O should run the risk of trusting her, or anyone, for that matter. This was just another lesson for him as a king. Not everyone can be trusted. Not even a cat.

when they did the flashback of her dying as he was leaving the city with the others, and how she was so angry and coming back for vengeance, i thought, how lame. How sensative. I mean, really?! True, they never showed a clip of them looking for survivors, but still…maybe they did? Or maybe they just figured there were none since they thought all the people ran to the shelter that was destroyed? no survivors. I just felt it was a little immature of her. I never liked her from the beginning. NOt even for a “future queen”.

I think and hope she’s evil. There is lots of characters in stories and even people in real life that would do simliar or worse stuff to get revenge.

I mean there is many shows and films who have used this as a plot device for a character “revange” but in those movies and shows we mostly new beforehand that “this is what i’m doing”. Problem here is we did not know she was “evil”.

Also regarding her being controlled or not it pretty much got explained in the finale, she got crushed, saw lion-o walk away, assumed he abandoned everyone, died with hatred, ASOE/Mumm-Ra got hold of her soul, revived her when she was this thrirsty for revenge and she then she “spyed” herself into the group. The signs were there, she even calls him a traitor does numerous of other random stuff through out the seasons run.

Once again i hope she is evil. She felt abandoned by Lion-O when she died and was able to come back cause of her anger and revenge. If they want this “dark story” and more “movielike” approach this is gonna help them, mostly when it comes to shows, games, movies there is almost ALWAYS an evil person in the group, or there is a “shadow/evil copy” of one of the heroes. Here if Pumyra is as evil as she sounds and looks like, it’s a really nice twist to see one of the cats be loyal to Mumm-Ra as the cats and Lions were the ones with the highest rank of his forces.

It’s something the show has been critisized for when it started . they just left the city , not looking for survivors , and even when the kittens showed up they just told them to go away . Lion-O was busy with his quest , and thinking of how he can avenge his father’s death that he overlooked his people . and this wasn’t a “plot hole” as aperantly there were consequences to this .

The season is over and I feel a kind of sad right now. I will miss the TC next weekend badly.
It was a great show and I loved it. Even though there were better and weaker episodes I can say I enjoyed watching them all.

But back to the topic, I’m very happy with the season finale, it was a very good episode. There were many good things to mention, but I wanna talk about Pumyra now.
Believe it or not, I had a bad feeling about her since she appeared. I was wondering why she got so many fans and I couldn’t understand the voting in the Cheetara vs Pumyra threat.
What was so great about Pumyra? I guess she got more votes, because fans of the show dislike Cheetara for choosing Tygra and for being a bit blank and maybe they saw in Pumyra a potential girlfriend for Lion-o.
Many people said Pumyra is like she is, because she had such a hard time in the pit, but this was a poor explanation IMO, it didn’t make sense to me. But now after I saw the last episode everything make sense to me. Very good writing!

Pumyra…it was never Pumyra. Pumyra died when Thundera fell and we only saw the resurrection of Pumyra. Resurrected by Mumm-Ra.
I think she is pure evil now, maybe there is still something inside her from her old life and consciousness, but I’m afraid it’s impossible to recover her old consciousness.

Poor Lion-o. Betrayed by Pumyra. I like Lion-o for his big heart and for trusting everybody, but he trusted her more than the other TC’s what we saw in “Birth of blades”. I don’t blame him for it, some of his decision were influenced by his emotions.
I think that Lion-o never really fell in love with Pumyra. Yes, he liked her, but I think he still has feelings for Cheetara and tried somehow to overcome it with Pumyra. I could be wrong, jmpov
I feel sorry for Lion-o, he is a great king and absolutely doesn’t deserve it, but he will find a girlfriend in the end of season 2, it will be a lioness, sorry to spoil you :wink:

Something I don’t understand. Kit and Kat said that they got help from everybody Lion-o (and the other TCs) helped before. But I can’t remember what Lion-o did for Dobo and the dogs. Have I missed something?

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who never liked her.
Agree with you, it was a lesson, not everybody can be trusted, not even cat.
I like that it was Tygra who saved Lion-o from Pumyra’s attack and knocked her down. The brothers had their problems, but they would never betray each other.
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Oops, I thought I was in the OFFICIAL TALKBACK THREAD for ep 26. I actually wnated to post it there :oops:

Yeah, here’s to that happening. I’m still kinda sore from the fact that this is the only series where I’ve NEVER successfully shipped anything apart from Leo/Panthera, who were a one-ep only pairing.

Yeah, i agree. Though, if i remember correctly Dan Norton said they were only GF/BF, not king and queen on his dA page…:frowning:

I’m hoping if they save Pumyra she’ll act more like Panthera, and less the way she’s been now.

I actually believe Panthera didn’t make it to Third Earth, but saved Leo by shielding him with her body, when she kissed him.

Considering Lion-O is a purebred lion and Leo was the first king, I’m guessing Leo hooked up with a lioness.

Just because he looks like a Lion, that doesn’t mean none of his ancestors were other species of cats.

True, but both of his parents seem(ed) awfully lion-like to me. Considering the royal line has been referred to as “only lions”, I think they’ve kept the line pure since the crash on Third Earth.

Maybe not. Leo could still have had a child with Panthera, and then their descendents all had children with other lions, to the point that any panther genes that might have been passed down were simply lost over time. And it has been a very long time since the pyramid crashed. It’s open to interpretation.

Then again, the scientific name for lions is ‘Panthera Leo’, a pun which the Crew of Omens didn’t (seem to) notice.

I guess they could have hooked up! I really liked that relationship.

Hopefully we’ll get more info on them next season.