Another plus for me. Geeze I wish cartoon network would start doing reruns. Its impossible to catch everything with only one look.
I get nervous when people mention CG. I just dont find it alll that appealing, but it looked really good in this episode.
I actually felt this episode was very much inspired by Miyazaki’s films Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke.
easily one of my fave Thundercats episodes from any series, it was just so well written and the characters were great, especially emerich
TOtally awesome!
I liked this episode. The plot and the concepts were very well done and evoked emotion in just the right way. The concept reminds me of a Star Trek Voyager episode “Blink of An Eye” , but I think this TC episode did a better job in making us care about these new characters.
As for the criticism regarding the “suicide mission” as its been called; I got the impression that in the beginning of the episode, the only options were to hide or fight. Once the brambles were on fire their only option was to fight bravely. I also thought that if that is indeed the message the writers wanted to convey, that it was the weak part of the episode.
I felt the same way when I saw them. The whole format of new TC is reminding me of Mospeada (the series that Robotech: New Generation is based on). They’re a small band, traveling from Point A to Point B, and it appears this small band of heroes is upgrading its arsenal via technology, little by little. The Thundertank is a big deal, like how Scott Bernard (a/k/a Stig) got his first fully functional Alpha Fighter, also in their episode 4, coincidentally.
I hope it also doesn’t end up like Mospeada in the respect that in every episode they’re looking for their energy source (Protoculture/HBT in Robotech:NG/Mospeada; Thundrillium in New TC?) to power their technology.
As for the criticism regarding the “suicide mission” as its been called; I got the impression that in the beginning of the episode, the only options were to hide or fight. Once the brambles were on fire their only option was to fight bravely. I also thought that if that is indeed the message the writers wanted to convey, that it was the weak part of the episode.
That was one of the things I was just going to post. The Thundercats realized that their options were stick around and get cooked or fight. Why not go down swinging?
I also think that a lot of the personality issues come down to how the characters are dealing with their grief. It’s a funny thing, and no one handles it quite the same way. You’re looking at relatively young people who have seen a lot of tragedy in a short period of time.
Lion-O has the added burden of being responsible for this crew, while Tygra is trying to be the mature one. As time goes on we’ll get a better look at the personalities underneath the grieving.
Touche, good sir! Touche!
I was thinking more along the lines of series finales though as opposed to season finales. But still, yeah good one.
i think there was some character development with lion-o. because of his friendship with Emerich he learned and grew as a person.
since tygra came off as a ****hole in episodes 1, 2 and now 4 i think it’s more in his character to be that way and lion-o in last week’s episode was a one time thing.
I enjoyed the episode more than last week. Lots of good moments, etc.
There are a couple of plot holes but this is a cartoon network cartoon, not an oscar winning movie, I mean, thats not a real good excuse, but lets give them time to flush everything out and get the ball rolling, we are 2 hours into the 13 hours of the first season.
As far as the show being childish, well, it is a cartoon. Yes they said it was going have some more adult themes than the OS, but if this was an Adults cartoon, they wouldnt be launching all the kids toys.. this show is for the old fans and new fans and they want the kids to like the shows to buy the toys, thats what the first series was for.
It should be a little childish for some of us I guess, for me, I am thoroughly enjoying the show, all the new stories, familiar characters but different takes on them, etc… but I was 3.5 when I started watching TCats in the 80s, I am 28 now… I’ve matured just a bit, not much, but a bit!
I’m wanting to join this club! Only problem is, I don’t understand what ya’ll are talking about. :eek:
How is the original series more adult than the new series? I would think it’s the opposite. 
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What is BSG?
BSG = Battlestar Galactica (probably referring to the reimagined series).
I actually wouldn’t mind that too much. I always thought Thundrillium should have been a bit more prominent an energy source than it was…like something along the lines of Star Trek’s Dilthium crystals. One key scene in our story BTW had the Mutants attacking a Thundrillium refinery. And some of the Thunderian heavy ordnance weapons were outfitted with Thundrillium warheads. (i.e. Thundrillium torpedoes, etc.)
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Yeah, like Richard said, short for Battlestar Galactica (both old and new).
Thanks. I could never get into Battlestar Gallactica, it was too dark and depressing to me. There needs to be some element of comedy. One of the reasons I love SG-1. 
Still curious as to why you think the OS is more adult than the new.
Watching it again and reading some of these posts their are only two things for me to add right now. I think the writers are still trying to figure out how to work off each other and are also just trying some weird Ideas right now. NOt that they are bad but their are some points they are just throwing away and others they are focusing intensely on. for instance they put together a terrific re-cap of Emericks life. but when he he is first introduced to the group and asks all the silly questions Lion says you sound like me when I was your age. Which was a fine line but then the entire group after a poor couple beats busts out laughing hysterically as if play acting. Why??? the kittens didn’t even know Lion-O at that age. Nor was the line that funny. It just felt very forced. not good direction. which maybe is where some of the fault in these episodes lies not so much with the writers but with the Directors. Granted they only have a limited time for telling the story but they seem to be making the same mistake that Killed the A-TLAB movie. trying to squeeze to much information into to short a time. Break it up a bit and tell the stories that need telling and if you have to separate a lesson into two episodes then do so. don’t focus on starting and ending an episode tell the whole story.
As for the Suicide mission at the end some are forgetting to look at the entire Battlefield. It is being said they only had two options. Stay and burn or fight an army. The lizards did not have the briar wood surrounded. They were only on one side. which means that amidst the smoke and confusion the TC’s could have easily snuck off in any direction but the way they went. After all they did get rid of the trackers… no the only reason they went into battle was so the writers could introduce Panthro. Lame reason… Be creative guys and hold back a bit. write it well and people will not only watch but will get others to watch as well. Frankly if someone asked me if I would recommend this show to new viewers I would say don’t bother they wont get it and they will just bad mouth it. really the only people watching this now I feel are dedicated fans of the OS and their Kids. I hate to say it but we all know what kids attention spans are like these days so unless they can get us excited and start spreading the show through word of mouth then it wont have much chance of extra seasons and will just turn out to be a sorry foot note in the history of a truly great show.
I did think the laughter a little odd. If one of my friends said that to a kid, I don’t see myself laughing hysterical at it. It really isn’t funny. Maybe the writers just have an odd sense of humor.
Your reading my post backwards. I was saying the new show is more adult, at least in pertaining to death than the old.
Old show: a corpse is ‘not alive’ rather than dead.
New show: a friend dies ON SCREEN in front of them all and in lionos hands
I feel the same way. A good show should have a balance of comedy and drama, so it doesn’t get relentlessly depressing. I admired what the new BSG was trying to do, but like you, ultimately I just found it too downbeat for my tastes. That’s also why I liked SG-1, too (even if Stargate Universe came off like BSG-Lite).
I think what some of us are getting at with the new show being more adult than the OS is how it just seems there’s a bit more depth and complexity to the characters this time around. At least, that’s how I see it. I always felt than in the OS that the characters never really grew, and there was never a sense of progression. Also because back then you really couldn’t show violence for fear of getting certain parental watchdog groups angry, you didn’t have much of a sense of realistic conflict and no one was ever allowed to die. So that neutered any dramatic potential or sense of threat from the villains.
Compare that to the new show, where the characters act more realistic and, like Cheezey said, come across as more flawed and human, which in turn makes them more relatable as opposed to being two-dimensional cutouts. Also, they’re not afraid to depict or show death, so the stakes feel higher and there’s more of a sense of danger as our heroes are in jeopardy, and that helps us make them care about them more. And the fact that they can turn something like the Petalars - which would have been easy to make as saccharine-coated kiddie fare - into a touching treatise on mortality, just shows how much of an improvement it is over the original. That I think is what we’re talking about when we say it feels more adult.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I agree that the new series seems more adult. That element I like, but then I’m an adult now and enjoy more deeper, complex stories. Though I still do enjoy the OS. My real only complaint so far is in this episode where Lion-O rushed his friends off for a suicide misison at the end thinking that was the right thing to do. Especially allowing the kids to go with them. I really hope Panthro brings some maturity and stability to these irrational youths. 
I saw bits and pieces of SVU and it did feel like BSG to me. Couldn’t get into it. I think humor is a natural part of life, at least there has always been laughter in my life, in my family, in places I’ve worked, with my friends, etc… So to me, those shows didn’t feel realistic enough. I liked Atlantis but stopped watching after a couple seasons, then I heard they killed my favorite character off and I didn’t have much desire after that to try and catch up with the show. SG-1 is still one of my favorite all times shows. They had such great banter as a team.
Maybe after Lion-o said that Emrik was acting like him at that age Cheetara and the kids started laughing imagining a little Lion-o acting like that, or they were laughing because of Emirik’s questions or because he was still trying to talk after Lion-o covered his mouth, I don’t know but I don’t think it’s something important.
I didn’t think that the scene was odd because I’m sure the intention of that situation was not to make us (the viewers) laugh, but to make the characters laugh and lighten the mood and the fear the petalars were showing towards the thundercats.
Until now it never crossed my mind why they started laughing, maybe because I don’t see the point of checking and scrutinize every little detail and second of a cartoon.
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Who voiced Emerich??