I think this is mostly true, though I believe that Tygra also had lessons to learn, mostly with dealing with his pride. As for the Kittens, I could see some potential characters flaws they could have. They could both be too naive and trusting. Kat basically got him and his sister to search for a hidden city that may not even exist, and they were both too trusting of Tookit until the end of the Forever Bag. Kat in particular I see as being too eager to make a gamble and take big risks, and Kit goes along with him without really questioning him. Kat could learn to do more hard work instead of taking a quick but risky gamble, and Kit could learn to be more independent of her brother.
I don’t think Panthro really needs lessons to be learned considering his age, but I think part of his development is him becoming less gruff. Cheetara I’m not so sure about, but I’ll think about it.
That’s a very valid point, and one I have thought a lot of myself. In the OS it might have been understandable given that Lion-o was a kid in an adult’s body and the others were already grown ups, and even then some of the other TCs got to learn a lesson from time to time. But not now.
Realistically Lion-o should grow up to become very cynical under these circumstances. They are making him look a bit simple-minded to keep him so nice through all of what they (the writers) are putting him through, overdid it a bit.
He should but he won’t. Probably because that would actually make sense and making sense was a theme that was largely avoided.
If you get the chance, Dan Norton posted some pretty facepalmingly hilarious remarks about the potential future of the series on his DeviantArt page. Some are really worth a laugh, others make you wonder how much time the crew spent “chasing the dragon.”
If his remarks are really where the series was headed, I have to admit, I’m kinda glad it ended where it did.
I’m failing to see these comments that trash the crew and others besides one mention of Bandai getting something wrong with Tygra’s armor. On a side note, he wasn’t talking in the past tense with all the plans they had for season 2, so that’s good, I guess. Maybe it can continue on Toonami, seeing that it gets good ratings there. I’m getting off-topic now, so I’ll stop.
And as many of us have already pointed out, even the writers seem to want to make Lion-O’s life harder. Oh sure, some of you might just mark that off as good storytelling, but i think they go a little too far some times. Even in episodes that should be emphasizing Lion-O’s good character traits.
Take “The Pit” for example, Lion-O was willing to go through any number of punishment just to get through to Pumyra, which emphasizes his true character. But when you think about it, regardless of how she got to the Pit, Pumyra did technically belong to Dobo, so technically, Lion-O was committing a crime by trying to free her. They can’t even use the seemingly barbaric nature of the Pit as an excuse, that’s how Dog city operated. Dobo even said that putting him in the Pit was more preferable to handing him over to the Police. And even if the others did find someway to free him, i’d imagine they would scold him for sneaking into the dungeon. Like Panthro said, trying to free Pumyra might have caused the Dogs to become enemies of the TCats. So basically, Lion-O’s bold act was still made to look like a poor way of handling things.
I don’t like to think about these kinds of things so close to the holidays, but i’m hoping that by getting it out, i’ll be cleansing myself of it.
i don’t blame you at all for being frustrated at the development of liono on the NS. i myself, had some issues with a few things they were putting liono through. i kind of understand what the writers intentions were in putting him through some of those harsh situation, but i must say it became unbearable and the whole pumyra betrayal was like rubbing salt on the wound.
Indeed. You’re the one that says out loud and breaks out into song the theme song to Power Rangers. That sounds like gold to watch.
On a side note, it makes fangirls like me want to hug the poor life-abused kitty that is Lion-o. Life for him is like being one of those shivering, shy pets at the animal shelters or at the humane society. I’d volunteer to be a pet cuddler for Lion-o! :liono #familypetownerlovesheranimals
Okay, okay. So Lion-o isn’t THAT weak, but come on! He still needs a hug.
I was not saying it as something bad. I do sit on a “Super Sentai/Power Rangers” forum just like this one and man the discussions gets way out of hand way to many times.
With that said, it’s fun to do it but why do we do it? I think everyone here is smart enough to understand that most of the background stuff that people discuss probably was never thought of in the show, they made 26 episodes and probably never thought up the backstory of everyone and everything yet we discuss this little show like it’s Lord of the Rings or A Game of Thrones when it’s far from deep in story like those works. It’s fun.
Now some boring could come and say you can’t compare TC and one of those book series cause they are not in the same medium but.. Don’t.. Be.. Stupid.. You know.. What i mean.. Hopefully..
Another thing i’ve noticed is that Lion-O’s the only TCat who isn’t allowed to express his emotions how he would like. Take the recent betrayal from Pumyra for example: if Lion-O were ventilate about how hurt and angry he was, the others would just tell him that he was overreacting and just tell him to get over it. But if he were to just treat the matter like it was nothing at all and showed no emotions regarding it whatsoever, then they would think that there was something wrong with him and would be telling him to express his emotions. This doesn’t seem fair, because when Tygra’s in a bad mood, he just says whatever he wants and no one seems to care, when Panthro wanted revenge against Grune, the others just let him be free to take it and didn’t try to stop him at all. However, if Lion-O was to try and seek revenge against Pumyra the other TCats would likely do everything they could to stop him.
On another topic, why is it that Lion-O’s not getting the treatment a royal of that day and age should be given? Regardless of his view of the Lizards and his belief of Technology, Lion-O was still a royal, and he should have been treated like one. As a prince, Lion-O could’ve had terrible things done to those street thugs and that angry mob, he could’ve had them all banished or beheaded, but no one even considered the consequences for attacking the heir to the throne. Even as the king, Lion-O gets little to no respect. As the sovereign ruler of all Cats, Lion-O should be addressed as sire, my lord, your majesty, your highness or even master, and his word should be law, with no one undermining his very authority. As i recall, a king’s commands are always followed without question, particularly since the King could have horrible things done to you (lets not forget that Lion-O does wield one of the most powerful weapons on Third Earth). However, all the Cats treat Lion-O as if he were an elected official who they could remove at any time. I just think it’s kinda disrespectful for them all to try and tell their king how to do his job, when it was already established that he should have absolute power. No one told Claudus how to do his job, and when Tygra took over, everyone followed his orders no questions asked.
It is so he can be a better leader I think. His father might favor Tygra because he is older and wiser. :lionomad:This does make sense since Lion-o must prove himself and probably it is for the best since he is still very young and lacks experience. I think they should have introduce some cool friends for him his age:sneaky:
i actually liked the way the writers had people treat Liono. it made me or some viewers more sympathetic towards him. this i think is a good thing if you want people to relate to the main protagonist of the series. but like i stated before, later on in the series, i started to get the feeling that the writers were punishing Liono just to punish him and some instances they had no basis for doing so.
That’s hwo I feel. Sometimes, especially the betrayal at the end, seemed rather harsh (as much as it was a great twist). I do think it made me feel more sympathetic towards him and it did make for a more interesting story instead of having the protagonist be a perfect figure that wins every battle, whether it be internal or external.
What’s more, the writers rarely, if ever make it seem like Lion-O does things out of the goodness of his heart.
Take what happened with the Elephants for example: he willingly wanted to help them with their “bug problem” but that only did more damage than good, true he and the others did help them Elephants when Grune attacked, but that was only because they wanted the Spirit Stone too.
It really feels like every good deed Lion-O has done has either been for selfish reasons or otherwise had terrible consequences. I still don’t consider good storytelling, and i’m an aspiring author.
I have to disagree, Lion-O does plenty of stuff out of the good of his heart. If he really didn’t care about the elephants and only about the spirit stone, all he had to do was wait for Grune to kill the elephants and leave. And he specifically wanted to go with stealth instead of the tank so he wouldn’t risk anyone’s life in a big battle. You have the first episode where he defends the lizard prisoners, the third where he decides to put side revenge to help the others from drowning in the sand sea. You could say he only helped the Petalars because he was also trying to find a way out, but it’s made really clear he does care a lot about Emrick. And then we have Lion-O saving the lizard deserters from being executed, and he saved the mouse from getting killed by Pumyra which ended up helping him out in the end. And then he helped the Berbils when he could have just left them for the Conquedor. Not everything he does selflessly has terrible consequences.
And these are times when it would have been more convenient to just be selfish, but Lion-O didn’t go that route. Yes, sometimes these actions backfire, but it goes with one of the main themes of the series which is seeing the bigger picture. Even when his actions have some bad consequences, in the long run most of these actions are going to help strengthen the alliance he builds with the other races. Lion-O standing by Pumyra in the Pit may have been a mistake, but it earned him Dobo’s respect and now the Cats have allies with the Dogs. Lion-O could have just taken the Tech Stone from the Birds, but he didn’t, and he helped defend them from Mumm-Ra, which likely means he’ll likely have an alliance with the birds.
A point I think the series tries to show is that even if some bad stuff happens in the short term, good actions end up having better results in the long run. Lion-O and the Cats would have been dead at the end of the season if it weren’t for the friends he made over the course of the series through his selfless actions. You cannot focus on the little setbacks, you have to view the big picture, and overall Lion-O is slowly making Third Earth a better place, by using his actions to help others and build relations with people who can help him. While I think Lion-O hopes this plan will work, I doubt he plans on helping people just so he can make them his allies. He doesn’t seem cold and calculating enough for that, he seems to genuinely want to help people.
I think that’s a big reason why a second season is so important. We’re only seeing half of the big picture, and I believe that a second season would demonstrate just how much Lion-O’s actions have in the long term, making all the setbacks seem less damaging in hindsight. Lion-O has to lose quite a few times in order for this story to make its point, and the point, to me, is that you cannot let the lost battles keep you from trying to win the war. This isn’t just a simple moral as perseverance, this is about not letting the little things in life blind you from the big important things.
It doesn’t matter that Lion-O can’t defeat Tygra or be chosen by Cheetara, he has more important tasks like leading his people. Even if Lion-O lost the tech stone and Pumyra, he can’t forget the alliances he’s gained through his kind actions, and in the end that’s far more powerful than any magic stone. And even defeating Mumm-Ra isn’t as important as all the races of Third Earth learning to live together in peace. Thundera would never have fallen in the first place if the Cats were friends with the lizards, giving Mumm-R no support, and under Lion-O’s rule the Cats and lizards will eventually be allies. I think that’s also a big reason why Lion-O makes a better king than Tygra, and it’s because of his empathy for others. Having empathy and sympathy requires you to see things from another perspective, to see the bigger picture outside of yourself. I like Tygra, but I think he is the most selfish ThunderCat. Really, Lion-O is clearly the one who seems to go out of his way the most to help others compared to the other Cats, and I think the only Cats who really come close to his level of empathy are the Kittens. I can’t understand how you could say Lion-O doesn’t do things out of the good of his heart when that’s what the entire series seems to be built around.
Trying to find answers and what not that the writers probably never even thought of 