What would you change about an episode?

Even you people have been ignoring my post as of late, I still wanted to give this thread idea a try.

Now, I know i’m not the only one who wishes he could have changed the way certain episodes played out, so this is a thread for people to ventilate about how they wished an episode went and why.

I’ll Start

I wasn’t necessarily onboard with that whole “Pumyra blames Lion-O” idea at first (I’m still not, actually), but after the way “Birth of the Blades” and “Recipe For Disaster” ended, i was starting to let it slide. And, in my opinion, i would have changed three things about the “What Lies Above” two-parter:

1. Rather than have Pumyra sound rude when they were talking with Vultaire, i would have had the subject of the Tech stone be brought up through the conversation between him and Lion-O and left Pumyra out of it

2. When the Cats found out about how important the Tech Stone was Avista, they all (Pumyra with them) realized they couldn’t take and therefore none of them made a move towards it. That would be when a Bird Guard entered the chamber and informed them and Vultaire that an Enemy armada (Mumm-Ra’s ) was headed for their Air Space. That’s where the First part would’ve ended.

3. I thought long and hard about this and, while i don’t really approve of the way this “Pumyra was brought back to life by Mumm-Ra” scenario played out, I will admit it’s an interesting twist. But i personally would have had the big reveal be played out like this:

[I]Pumyra had every intention of throwing the stone to Lion-O, but something inside her made her throw it to Mumm-Ra instead. Pumyra’s was just as shocked as Lion-O and even went as far as too say

“I don’t know why i did that! Am i out of my mind?!”.

That’s when Mumm-Ra revealed to both of the Cats that Pumyra has been his since the fall of Thundera. He brought Pumyra back after she died, but because he knew that prolonged time with Lion-O would’ve brought out her true emotions and cause her to turned on him, Mumm-Ra made sure that Pumyra was only serving him subconsciously (he did use her to track the Thundercats, but she honestly didn’t know anything about it. When they met at Mt. Plundarr, Mumm-Ra made Pumyra black out after she screamed and had her subconsciously hand him the SoP, that’s when he tied her up). Naturally, this made Pumyra very angry, so much so that the first thing she did after this was grab an Avistan staff and charge directly at Mumm-Ra. Of course she is easily overpowered, but Lion-O still came to her defense and prepare for battle that neither he or Pumyra would’ve survived. That’s when Tygra and the others would’ve arrived and joined Lion-O and Pumyra in their face-off, but even then, the new Armored Mumm-Ra was still too powerful. Enter WilyKat and WilyKit and their army of reinforcements. Just like before, Mumm-Ra would’ve been beaten back and made to retreat, but this time, before he leaves, he would’ve said

“Thank you for all of your help, my child”

–thus making Pumyra feel all the more terrible. Anyway, the Thundercats still manage to save Avista and when they do, Lion-O notices Pumyra moping about what she’s allowed to happen. Lion-O comforts her by telling her that Mumm-Ra is responsible for this, not her, and it’s not just Lion-O who comforts her either. Cheetara and the others also join in by telling her that whatever trickery Mumm-Ra used, Pumyra is one of them now, no matter what. And with only one stone left, they’re going to need all the help they can get. Pumyra would have smiled at this and that’s where the episode would’ve ended.[/I]

I know that ending might sound corny, but if done right, I think it could still work.

What I Would Change:

The Structuring of Lion-O’s trials.

They just seemed so weird to me. He made the connection to sniff the Kittens out of nowhere, he practically cheated to beat Cheetara, and his solution to beating Panthro was “Do As I Say”.

The Tygra Trial was brilliant and as I have theorized, I believe it was designed to be impossible for Lion-O to pass so he would make the appropriate sacrifice to save his friends and prove his worth.

The rest though left a lot to be desired. I get that it was designed to test Lion-O’s brains & heart, but I don’t even feel like it did that very well.

I would have done the Trials like this:

  • 1st The Kittens = Keep it the same but give some sort of logical connection to Lion-O figuring it out rather than him just sniffing out of nowhere.

  • 2nd, Panthro = Lion-O has to defeat Panthro in a fight and he learns to use his quickness & agility to make up for not being as strong as Panthro.

  • 3rd Cheetara = Instead of doing the maze thing, I would have had Cheetara use her magic cleric powers to show Lion-O haunting visions that he would have to overcome and come to terms with losing his father, not winning Cheetara, and accepting responsibility for his mistakes in the past.

  • And then close out with the Tygra trial which was fine the way it was.

Tbh i would not change nothing.

The new series is what it is and if we change it, it’s not the new Thundercats we know and love.

I’m all for srebak’s 3rd point. Then again, the writers could’ve also thought of a better way to make Cheetara let Lion-O down more gently over her choice of boyfriend. Also, I would want Lion-O and Cheetara fighting the Mutants to free Tygra, only to lose and be sent to be decapitated until Panthro storms in, instead of just having Cheetara sacrifice her clerical duties for love and surrendering automatically. That really p***ed me off.

I’m exactly the same. It kinda makes me think of the OS, which had so many flaws (not saying the NS has tons of flaws), but if they weren’t there the show wouldn’t be as entertaining.

I wouldn’t change anything really. If there was anything I would like to change it was how CN handled the series and Bandai handling the toy line.

Definitely. Then again, it isn’t the first time CN has handled a series poorly. They have a history.

I don’t think I can point out something in specific episodes, but I would’ve given slightly more foreshadowing to Cheetara choosing Tygra to make it look like either of them could end up with her instead of the whole thing seeming so one sided. I would’ve made sure lessons learned stayed learned. I would’ve kept Tygra being confrontational and angry towards Lion-O, but given him a lot more softer moments with Lion-O to go with it (Raphael form TMNT comes to mind). And towards the end I would’ve had Soul Sever right after Birth of the Blades, leaving out the whole Tookit and Forever Bag thing. Expanded on Cheetara’s backstory. Let them find the bird city sooner so they’re in there for a few episodes (like they were for the Elephant villiage) to build up the finale a bit more. And saved the uniting the animals part for the end of season 2 after they’ve gotten all the stones and are fighting the final battle with Mumm-Ra.

I would change some character build-up. I think writers did a great job when defining the bad guys, even Pumyra (maybe except for Slithe, but it was a good work there too).

As it has been repeatedly said, I think the good guys suffered from this to favour Lion-o.

I would have liked to see all of the TCs mourning the death of their king and people, and the loss of their home. Also would have liked to see more Cheetygra past, and also Panthro’s.

Like Balgus, I would have kept Tygra more confrontational and learn about his invisibility.

I would have liked more Cheetara, her past, her bond with Jaga, and her Cleric duties.

I would have kept Panthro’s arms. That was freaking stupid IMO (even more because he never uses them when he should as he should).

And I’d have made Mumm-Ra as powerful as he seems.

He has the Sword of Plundarr and the Tech Stone. I’m pretty sure he’s as powerful as he seems! He’s not like the OS when he was beaten every episode.

Sorry if I ignored any of your posts, Srebak! :frowning:

If I could change anything about an episode, I would balance some of the action of some of the episodes, but that’s because I personally prefer humor, humanity, and seeing the personalities of the characters over mindless fighting scenes. For example, in “What Lies Above, Part 1 (or 2?),” I would have added scenes where the other ThunderCats empathized and maybe helped with Panthro’s fear of heights.

That reminds me: I would take out one of Panthro’s fears (either fear of water or fear of heights). Adding too many fears on Panthro always seemed out of place for me. (I can’t remember the episode where the fear of water was presented.)

Finally, I would change at least two random episodes and make them more appealing for the OS fans. It seems sad that they get almost nothing out of the NS while NS fans get something.

Anyway, the new series is intriguing to me. It provided new material for the ThunderCats fans, and some of the fans’ reactions and productions from this series are interesting to me. :smiley:

Well stated. That is one thing ( among many) I would also change. For me, it got so bad, I would rate each episode by battle number. The average was 2 to 4. That leaves little time for character development and plot in 22 minutes.

MGP

What else would you change?

I still wouldn’t change anything. I think some things that people hated and thought were executed horribly couldn’t have really been made better by changing any part of the plot. It worked out just fine in my opinion…

…except Panthro’s arms.

I would change how the Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra love triangle was handled. It felt so unrealistic.

Eh, I kinda just left that one. It’s one of those things where it’s best left the way it is.

Another thing worth changing is the characterization. We’ve seen none of that from the main characters, especially Cheetara.

:confused: Huh? We saw that from a ton of the characters. There was certainly less from Cheetara, but still. Tygra, Panthro, Lion-O, and the twins were characterized just fine. [SIZE=“1”](much better than TLOK)[/SIZE] And Snarf doesn’t count!

I feel they weren’t characterized enough to make me relate to them.

Not even Tygra? I guess I can relate to characters better because I resemble some of them. I thought (besides Cheetara, but I actually have a theory for her) they were all developed well, and had definite personalities. In the OS, they were all just “Let’s save everyone regardless of how suspicious they look” and really nothing else.