Warner Bros. vs. Rankin Bass character design breakdown - Tygra

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Ok so I’ve decided to do a series of breakdowns if you will: a compare and contrast of the visual animation differences of the 4 core Thundercats from the old Rankin Bass show vs. the new Warner Bros. show.

Note - I’ll be referring to the 80s series Tygra as the “RB (Rankin Bass)” Tygra and the new series Tygra as the “WB (Warner Bros) Tygra”
I won’t be referring to picture orientation (top vs. bottom) but it should be obvious which one I’m referring to.

[SIZE=“3”]Suit[/SIZE]
The most obvious change is the suit. Instead of a *two-toned sea/dark green workout suit, we have what very much resembles almost a field officer’s suit. It looks armored in the chest area with an exposed midsection. The waste has an obvious utility belt akin to the one the kittens in the RB show used to keep their pellets in. There are some canister like objects on the belt which could be chaff or some other type of grenade. The green almost appears more like a dark olive in the new WB show. They were fairly faithful with the emblem location for him as it is dead center in his chest plate as it did on his jumpsuit in the original. One thing to note about the new suit that may be a nod to gold lined shoulder pad on the left shoulder of the RB series Tygra is the forearm section on the left arm WB series Tygra. From this angle its hard to tell whether this is just decorative or serves an unknown purpose (perhaps holding some type of monitor or additional pouches)
but given how field officer like the suit appears in the new series, I would be surprised if its just decorative

    • So the RB Tygra actually has 3 seperate colors to his uniform. A slightly lighter section around the arms vs a slightly grayer area in the midsection. But since they are subtle, its easier to just note it as two-tone.

[SIZE=“3”]Weaponry[/SIZE]

The second obvious addition is the gun. I won’t speak much on it since we don’t know what it does yet, but it appears to holster on his left thigh. The only other thing to point out on the gun is the blue orb that appears above where a clip for a standard non-revolver would insert. I didn’t mention the bracelet in the suit section because its on the hand with his gun so you would naturally notice it immediately after noticing the gun. The only things to point out are that its silver colored and there appear to be arrows pointing in a counter-clockwise direction around the circumference.

His bolo whip is more or less faithfully rendered with 3 orbs on the end of 3 tails in the WB series. The handle departs from the gold of the RB show and instead appears here in either a smoke or a black color. The handle does have a metallic looking ornament on the bottom instead of just a solid gold handle. One final note of interest is it appears that the orbs in the whip of the WB Tygra could potentially rest when not extended inside of a metallic piece on the top as opposed to flush on the top of the handle in the RB series.

[SIZE=“3”]Tygra[/SIZE]

Onto Tygra’s face and body. His arms appear to have a jagged transition from orange to cream in the WB series whereas in the shot below of the RB series it is a smooth break. While we didn’t get very many shots of Tygra without his suit on, you can see from the Exodus episode that several of his stripes reach around to the inner portion of the biceps and triceps. In the new WB series the stripes do appear to slightly creep over inner bicep, however the bottom 4/5 of his arm appears stripeless with none appearing to come around from the bottom.

The face is probably where we see the second biggest change aside from the suit. Starting with the actual facial markings you can see that in the original RB series Tygra’s forehead had 3 to 4 stripes directioning out and upwards from the vertical center of his forehead. There are three cream patches (one for each eye and the mouth), his nose was orange and stripeless, and there appears to be a stripeless orange markings underneath each eye. In the WB Tygra we see that his face is predominantly white vs the predominantly orange and striped RB Tygra. Instead of the orange under-eye markings the WB Tygra has very bold black ones that really stand out. Like the RB version, the WB version does appear to converge to an orange neck (though unable to tell from this shot if the neck is striped). The forhead of the WB version does appear striped, but from this shot it appears more vertically oriented than the horizontally oriented RB Tygra. As for the side tufts, the RB Tygra’s appear much furrier and layered whereas the WB Tygra appears to be a single layer with no fur definition showing in this shot (Edit - you can see that there is fur definition in the image taken from the UK Toy Fare booth by Dr Slump) and a stripe across the top. He does appear to have the same smaller side burn tufts, but they appear longer and perhaps more pronounced on the WB version as opposed to the shorter ones on the RB Tygra. The final noticeable difference that sticks out are the ears. They are white and present on the WB Tygra, whereas they are hidden behind the fur on the RB version. Final note about the eyes. Its tough to see in the press release photo from WB because Tygra’s head is so distant and therefor small, but it appears as though he has retained the same orange eye color from the show.

Final Thoughts

That about sums up every major (and plenty of minor) differences and likenesses between the two. Overall I think Tygra’s update is by far the best and in my personal opinion I agree with the show’s producers that he is the one that needed the most updating as he’s always the last Thundercat of the core 4 that I thought of. I’ll be doing the other three breakdowns later this week. Most likely Panthro on Monday, Cheetara on Tuesday, and saving Lion-O for Wednesday.

Great analysis Grune! :slight_smile:

You forgot to mention that thick bracelet thing on his right wrist, I think it looks neat. Cheetara will also have it on both wrists. I guess its just a fashion accesory, something people on Thundera wear. :wink:

Thank you Manny.

I used every bit of the 500 pixel limit :slight_smile: (at first I had them side by side, but when I saw that wouldn’t work in your forum posting guidelines I went with a top/bottom orientation.
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Are you talking about the one I mentioned in the Weaponry section (I listed the reason for it being there)??

Very good analysis/comparision.
I always dismissed Tygra as not only the “boring ThunderCat”, but also as the least effective and the worst fighter of the bunch. He was weak, unimpressive, and had nothing special, personality-wise.
Tygra, in my opinion, is the one that more desperately needs a revamp. The look change seems like a good start, but where he mostly needs to be upgraded is in regards to his personality.

I liked Tygra and it is good to see that they will utilise him in the new show. I always thought how could the most intelligent of the TCats (except Jaga) that had mind powers was susceptable Mumm-Ra and the power stones (lack of better term)!

Your character design breakdown is really good Grune, well done.

Except the exterior analysis i’d like to say a few things about Tygra’s internal personality, i was saving it for aero’s ‘Gardens of Delight’ episode discussion but i’ll say it here.
For the future, once the 2011 Series starts airing and we get to know a little bit about each member of the team, we can compare and contrast each character’s Old and New overall presentation.

Tygra is an enigmatic character going from one extreme to the other. While under the addiction of hallucinatory substances,at which he is so susceptible, his behavior turns one hundred and eighty degrees revealing the “dark” side of his personality,check out the episodes Crystal Canyon, Turmagar the Tuska and Garden of Delights for reference. He is probably the only Thundercat who would go thus far… showing total absence of self restraint and self control. I don’t know if the writers purposely made him behave like that as a moral lesson to younger kids or just wanted to confer a mature aspect with hidden meanings for further analysis.

However,I find Tygra’s inner conflict as well as the way his character alters when addicted to substances of any kind very interesting, It’s my wish to see hiis mysterious side portrayed to the New Series as well. He is the only Thundercat member unveiling such a vulnerable personality and to this length.I think this element singles him out from the rest.

Somehow his overall position in the team was overshadowed by Panthro and his jovial soul. Tygra was always presented as the level-headed type who kept a low profile and on a regular basis was reluctant to reveal emotions and bringing to view his internal world, that’s why only in one episode, the Trial of Mind Power, we are being introduced, for the first and last time, to his mind-power abilities. I never quite understood the reason as a kid but after watching Thundercats older, I realized that if Tygra were to be further explored on the storyboards then this series wouldn’t be aimed mainly for young children. His multifarious personality could be accurately described with the following two examples which outline his eminent persona and antithetically occult idiosyncrasy. Much to our surprise we hear Lion-o exclaiming in the episode All that Glitters, “If I do not return, you will be the next Lord of the Thundercats’. The majority would expect Panthro, as the second eldest after Jaga, to be the second in command but Lion-o entrusted Tygra’s integrity and sophisticated manner. His critical stance towards serious situations combined with his earnest behavior marked him competent enough to be Lion-o’s successor. Oppositely, Tygra does have a dark and mysterious side that makes him a very intriguing character, remember ‘Garden of Delights’ where Silky gives him a narcotic substance-like fruit putting him under a hallucinatory spell and paradoxically instead of denying it or resisting the negative consequences he succumbs to the overwhelming desire right off the bat, implying so an unstable personality prone to malevolent addictions. something similar happened in ‘Tarmagar the Tuska’ where he was instantly bewitched by the Mermaid’s evil powers and couldn’t distinguish reality from fiction . Both traits are shown off while testing Lion-o in the Trial of Mind Power.

In that episode Tygra’s actions and methods weren’t anticipated at all. From the outset, where we watch Lion-o meditating alone, we catch a glimpse of something extraordinary that will occur today. On his way to reach first the ancient ruins, past the dessert of sinking sands Lion-o is doubting many times whether he is coming across real things or mere illusions questioning every move that he made building up our tension. Tygra looked like as if he always was one step ahead overlooking silently the contestant’s progress, slowly paving the way for an ideal conclusion. However, hardly did Lion-o catch the full meaning of the following worlds prior to the trial’s start “Before the day is over, you will face your greatest fear…” connoting a certain wizardry and mysticism on Tygra’s eerie talk. Right after Lion-o walks into that strait the ensuing 3 minute turn into a mind bewildering sequence of events where everything is happening under a bewitching atmosphere as we are transferred to another unreal spiritual dimension. Lion-o is compelled to see at first hand in live action the exact moment it took place the exodus scene and foremost the destruction of Thundera, a point in time that caused ceaseless pain as well as remorse on his conscience.Tygra forced Lion-o to witness the whole saddening scene bit by bit right in front of his eyes totally unable to act once again. This recurring nightmare was stressed many times before in season 1 and is a trademark factor of Lion-o’s formative years. Who would expect that he would have to suffer this turmoil by a friend and not from his greatest enemy??

Here’s a quote from the episode Crystal Canyon after Tygra gets hold of the Keystone and he is repairing the ThunderStrike. Read it and you will see what i mean:

Tygra: (Laughing ironically) Everyone thinks Panthro is Mr. Fix it, HaHa, but with the keystone i am every bit as good as he is, maybe better.

Then Tygra throws violently the screwdrive on Lion-o and Lynx-o who are approaching slowly from behind

Lion-o: Hey, take it is Tygra! it’s only us.

Tygra: Oh,right I knew that.. next time just don’t sneak up on me

Lion-o: Tygra, Lynx-o and I are worried about you,the Keystone is doing strange things to you, it seems it to have you in its power,it’s altering your personality.

Tygra: If it is changing me, it is changing me for the better,perhaps you find that threatening.

Lion-o: No,it’s just that I…

Tygra snaps interrupting Lion-o: Ever since i was a kid i was shy but with the Keystone i feel so confident, for the first time in my life. I feel like i could do anything, Anything!

Lynx-o: Lion-o speaks the truth Tygra you are slowly becoming a slave to the keystone.

Tygra: A SLAVE!! Huh Is, Is Lion-o a slave to the Sword of Omens?? No Lion-o is master of the Sword and Now i am master of the Keystone

Lion-o: Tygra listen to me…

Tygra:No more talk, I have work to do…(then siting at his desk, designing maniacally) The Thundercats are jealous that’s all…I can do anything i want with or without it [the Keystone]…

Hard to believe these words came from a Thundercat! Still it is a mature concept with many serious implications. I love the mad side of Tygra, hope it comes back on his modern version…

“Tygra is an enigmatic character going from one extreme to the other.”

The design review is definitely interesting, on the whole, I like the new Tygra.

I really like your breakdown, Lordore. I’ve always been fascinated by Tygra’s personality (yup, I love Tygra). Yes, he was quiet and not to the front, like Panthro, but he has such depth and potential dimension. I felt like he was never fully explored. I hope the new series takes advantage of his character and brings him more to the front, exploring some of the deeper aspects of a personality like his. Of course, this is a children’s cartoon. :wink: But still, many cartoons have different levels within them and adults find deeper meaning to the stories than kids do. I really enjoy some of the fanfic that takes a closer look at the characters and fleshes out their personalities and backstories.

I like Tygra the best out of the new designs so far.

Can we move this to the 2011 Show forum? I feel it better belongs over there.

Also Panthro is up on that forum - http://www.thundercatslair.org/forums/showthread.php?p=32930#post32930

I like the suit changes. Of all the old suits, Tygra’s was the worst by far. Skin tight, uneven on the arms, weird color… just very odd. Granted, by 80s standards, it was okay, but while the other uniforms have slowly gotta more and more out of style, Tygra’s jumped out of style in '88. :classic:

That said, I’m perhaps most disappointed in this “cat” characteristics. I’m not a fan of the new Tiger stripes. The old Tygra’s stripes looks quite realistic. They definitely seemed they they were true to the animal. These look cartoony… Like “Tony the Tiger.” Especially the “war paint” stripes on his face.

This trend does go through all the characters though. Cheetara’s spots are much less pronounced too after all.

STill, over all I’m happy with the changes, just… not everything.

While I like Tygra the most of the bunch, it’s not saying much. His armor looks like a lot of other typical armor I’ve seen in video games. He’s very militarized. They are obviously going for a “realistic/gritty” vibe. They are even downplaying their cat characteristics (eyes, spots, stripes).

I do like his head, face and the new whip.

I really could do without the elf ears on them all. Cheetara is the worst with this as they combine with the rest of her features to make her look pretty much Tolkein-ish. I mean we get they are cats w/o the ears…it says Thundercats right in the title. I think the ears do more to detract from the cat image than they do for it. It’d be like if the show were about four pancake characters, and each of them had black spatulas sticking out of their sides, just so the character designer could make sure you knew they were pancakes, despite the title being something like ‘Pancake Warriors’.

Thankfully Tygra’s are the least noticeable due to his side tufts.

I couldn’t disagree more here! Despite the fact he got the least coverage IMO of the old episodes, that made it even more exciting for me when he was on the scene! Definately the best weapon in the game with its awesome versitility and sound effects (just hearing the whip crack makes me squirm with childish delight!).
Other than the awesome weapon, I respected him the most for being the sensible ‘level headed’ one and fully understand him being second in command. The best looking (in the original), most under-rated TCat there was!
Hopefully we’ll see more of him (and his awesome intelligence/mind power) in the new series!

I do really like the look of the new Tygra. He did need the tweeks. The new costume and design to me adds a good new depth and character to him. He has a rogueish Han Solo style now. I can’t wait to see the cartoon and more of the new figures.
This is going to be a great year! I don’t know if I can wait til july-aug for all this.

There was something ‘circus tiger’ about his 80s outfit, and I liked it. The new costume takes that away and replaces it with a ‘military’ type feel, and as Ive stated before he can dissapear, has illusion powers (which goes with the circus thing), and has a bolowhip…he doesnt need a gun! :frowning:

I don’t like the changes that much.

  1. The suit: don’t like it, even though better than the old series one. It looks too military. I always thought the main reasons why he was the most “covered” of the TCs back in the 80’s (which for sure helped people to raise an idea of him as boring, not as espectacular as Lion-O or Panthro) are:

a) it made it very hard for the drawers to draw his whole body, with the stripes, for every scene he was in, so covering him was the solution, and
b) maybe they found it very hard to find a color that matched well with his orange skin (this olive/military green is good for that, but it might have been to “wary” back in the 80’s).

I liked his non-symetrical clothes desing back in the 80’s, something they seemed to keep.

  1. Weapons: I’m glad he’s keeping the whip, and it does look better. Hate the gun and utility belt though.

  2. His looks: not liking it. He looks much more like a lynx or a wild cat than a tiger. I remember him as the one who resembles more his feline counterpart in the RB series (while Panthro the least), now not that much. His skin is not that orange, and there are not so many stripes which I’d like to see more. Not liking the white face either; his old face was better. Also, you mentioned the ears… they are ok, but I liked them more in the 80’s series too. If you watched closely (in the few eps they were shown a little), they were orange (not white) covered by the white head fur.

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I have to disagree. When was he shown as weak, a bad fighter or uneffective in combat? He saved his mates’ lives many times; as a matter of fact, he showed himself brave and willing to help the others many times. And he was special and impressive with his mind powers and special abilities. It’s just the writers decided to bring him down for some reason… thay could have done much more with him.

Also, Tygra IMO personified the whole code of Thundera: he was fair, truth, honorable and loyal (excpet when drugged lol). He showed enough dignity and courage to apologize when he screwed it (Garden of Delights, Crystal Canyon), and enough humility to thank his friends when they saved him (Fireballs of Plun-Darr, Trouble with Time, Turgamar the Tuska -when saved from the siren); I really don’t remember Cheetara or Panthro doing neither of that.

Lordore, I think Cheetara was shown to be vulnerable some times as well (which was also an interesting twist to her character), when it comes to self-confidence and fearing her friends wouldn’t believe her and mock her for her dreams and visions, or when the Lunatics made her believe she was going crazy and she stopped trusting her sixth sense. What do you think about that? I’d love to rad your insights.

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I’m with you here!
Tygra was really mistreated in the series from season 1 (after some character-promising early episodes though). His weapon and powers were teh best among the TCs, and was definitely the level-headed one. I agree with your words: The best looking (in the original), most under-rated TCat there was!

I have known many people that didn’t like the character, but overall confessed that the eps that centered on him were some of the best (maybe because of what Lordore said: the dark side, or maybe because of his powers). People also say when he wasn’t in an episode, there was something missing… maybe some color? lol

I’m happy that Tygra now has a pistol as well as his whip; it means he has better protection in combat. I’m also delighted that he still has his power of invisibility, as he wouldn’t be Tygra without it. :slight_smile:

Overall, I’m very pleased with the updated version of :tygra: .

I dig the warrior/military look. Looks cool. Would have liked to see him and Bengali rockin’ it out as soldier together though.

Just not a fan of the hammer. Would have preferred it more as a war hammer then a simple tool.

Back on topic. His design makes me wonder if Panthro will have multiple uniforms.