I second that because that flashed back in my head the first time I saw it.
Baby Tygra = Super Cute
Yes, I know. :tygra:
If it was the same sword as in the OS it would’ve broken in the Astral Plane when Lion-O and Tygra fought.
Why? Also he never said it was the same sword as from the OS.
his argument was that it could’ve been the same sword reforged. if it was reforged it would’ve broken when they fought like it did when Lion-O and Tygra fought in the OS. The original sword could not be used against another Thundercat. At all. This one can as long as it’s melee combat and doesn’t use any of the special powers.
I thought this was a great episode; lot’s of solid character moments and I like that it was kinda dark too.
In my opinion, the second half of this season (episode 14 and forward) has so far been better than the first half (1 to 13), not to say that the first half was bad, though.
That’s the second half of The Hero’s Journey, it’s always the good part.
Yes, usually the second part is the best part (for example, if we would talk about a trilogy, just look at The Empire Strikes Back).
TESB is definitely the best SW movie.
Also, “The Omen” part 2 is the best of the 3. And some people say “The Godfather” 2 is the best one as well.
What a heartbreaking, magnificently written episode “Native Son” is, it’s right up there with “Song of the Pedalars”! Seeing that we never saw Tygra’s biological mother doubtless means she was killed by the plague as was the rest of the Tiger Clan, as it was mentioned at the end of the story that there were no survivors. So, Tygra is truly the last of his species unless something happened where certain Tigers defected during the time their Clan served Mumm-Ra. During the flashback of how Tygra came to be Claudus’s adopted son, while they were sitting on their thrones, Claudus called his wife by either her name or a pet name; unfortunately, their voices echoing in the Throne Room made the dialogue a little hard to understand. Finally showing who Lion-O’s mother was and how she died while giving birth to him answers two main questions, and I’m guessing Lion-O already knew about her death because he did not act surprised by Tygra’s story. Like a number of people here at TCL, I noticed the Moses/Abraham storylines incorporated into “Native Son”. Having 5-year-old Tygra respond the way he did to his parents’ announcement of a second child was believeable and says a lot about Tygra’s resentment of Lion-O; I wonder how many first-born kids react that way when they’re suddenly told they are going to be a big brother/big sister? I frankly wasn’t surprised by the Tigers becoming demons at night because of the curse, but it was bloodchilling that every one of them was either alive, dead, dying, or doomed to die when the Ancient Spirits of Evil cursed them. Lion-O’s change from headstrong teen to level-headed young leader shows he’s on his way to becoming a great king. But it’s Tygra who steals the show here with his pridefulness (“I never get lost”), his amazement at finding others of his kind, his acknowledgement of Claudus as his father and gradual acceptance of Javan, and his heartbreak at losing his biological clan. Seeing his eyes brim adds a great layer to his character, though it would be better to actually have him cry next time; the “only children cry” idea is unrealistic because adults do cry. I have and I’ve seen other adults do it too.
I loved the reversal in the brother’s attitudes, Lion-O has learned a lot from his trials and has come out of them a a stronger, more thoughtful, and assertive king. All while maintaining that great, playful sense of humor we got to see glimpses of earlier in the series. Tygra, on the other hand, still seems to be stinging from his failure in the pyramid and seems to be trying to prove himself. It’s strange seeing Lion-O act in the “traditional” older brother capacity, but it’s great to see how much he’s grown.
Not sure if we can already say that Lion-o has changed that much. Many times younger brothers/sisters comfort the older ones when the latter feel bad, only to go back to the younger position afterwards.
What is more interesting about that fact is that we never saw Tygra crying Claudus’ death, but we did see him crying -or at least in tears- Javan’s.
This could mean two things (either both or one of them):
a) in a short time he got to feel “deeper” for his biological father than for his foster one, and that tells A LOT about the Claudus-Tygra relationship (it seemed to me Claudus was resistant to take him in the first place because he was a tiger; maybe Tygra never felt Claudus affection… the fact that Claudus repsected Tygra and thought he would be a great king doesn’t necessarily mean he loved Tygra deeply, or as deep as Lion-o), and/or
b) he’s slowly growing up and leaving the “boys/adult men don’t cry” position behind, and getting in contact with his emotions.
I don’t think its all that telling of how Tygra felt about Claudus and Javan through the way he grieved, I know I didn’t cry at my nephew’s funeral but I did with my dog that died and I felt each loss just as deeply as the other. One: my sister was having a very hard time processing my infant nephew’s death enough as it was when any of us had tears she’d get hysterical and angry with us, it was a very traumatic lose for us where we had to be strong in front of her that meant crying in private for her sake. Secondly I was allowed to be hysterical for my dog because he was my dog and no one was going to say I couldn’t grieve for him the way I thought it best. Claudus was killed during the fall of Thundera I’m sure anger, thoughts of survival and not showing weakness in front of the enemy was motivation for both sons to keep their grief at a minimum. Tygra had already lowered his guard and pride enough that tears after the kind and loving words of his father didn’t seem unusual to me. I’m positive Tygra loved each of his father’s just as deeply as the next just very differently.
I think your second theory is more what I think.
I didn’t mean to say he loved one more than the other, I meant to say he allowed him to express himself more now.
But I confess that this fact give me another perspective on Tygra and his relationship with Claudus. He told Lion-o that Claudus was his father while Javan was a guy that gave his infant son away… something he obviously didn’t really think neither feel.
I now think that maybe Tygra and Claudus maybe weren’t that close as the show pretended us to believe in the beginning. Let’s consider some facts:
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[li]Claudus’ first reaction wasn’t taking Tygra, like his wife did.[/li][li]When he announced Tygra his mother died, he wasn’t even able to embrace him, neither give him a word of comfort besides “I’m sorry”.[/li][li]We never saw Claudus telling Tygra some encouraging/loving words like the ones he did have for Lion-o when he told him he was proud of him.[/li][li]There were no final words from Claudus to Tygra.[/li][li]Tygra didn’t react at Claudus’ death 8the precise moment of his death), neither cried him, and we never saw him mourning him. We can assume he did, but reality is we never actually saw him.[/li][li]When Tygra told his story to the tigers, he said the two thing he cherrished the most were his mother and his kingdom, he didn’t mention his father.[/li][/ol]
I think Claudus considered Tygra would be a better king because he showed more abilities, but it wasn’t that Claudus wanted Tygra to be king. Claudus wanted Lion-o to be king, and because of that, he wished Lion-o to have some characteristics of his adopted brother. It wasn’t not “I want Tygra to be king. I want Lion-o to be more like Tygra because that would make him a better king than he would already be”.
I think Claudus saw Tygra more in a Ned Stark - Theon Greyjoy (A Song of Ice and Fire) sort of way, like a good squire. We never saw Claudus acting too paternal to Tygra, as we did see his wife being too maternal.
My impression is Tygra always wanted to get Claudus’ attention and affection. Of course he ahd it, or part of it, but he wanted Claudus to love him as a son, entirely as a son, and I think he never felt that completely.
At least I never got that impression from the series. I saw a Claudus that was proud of Tygra, that thought that Tygra was good, etc., but never a Claudus that looked Tygra as a real son.
So yes, I think there was more in the Claudus-Tygra relationship and dynamics than what we were allowed to see.
I might be wrong though. JMPOV.
One thing that stuck out to me was the quality of the animation. It seemed superior to the prior episodes.
I know, right? The animation got really good at the end of the episode.
I am blowing away by the depth of this episode.
Tab Murphy is already credited with writing 6 out of the 17 episodes so far and much like in his ‘Old Friends’ episode where we see Panthro’s and Grune’s interesting background story, he now offers us an amazing Origin delving into the past of the most interesting character of the NS,namely Tygra.
Honestly, i don’t think they could have come up with a better tale for Tygra. Both heart wrenching and awe-inspiring this is a soul searching episode which answers many questions and paves the way for many great moments to come. Tygra’s last words:‘Is it my destiny, to always lose the things i mostly care about..?’ sum up the tragedy of this enigmatic character.Also, we understand better now the reasons behind his erratic behavior. Tygra has suffered too much pains from an early age and probably going through her beloved mother’s death was the turning point in his life. It’s quite rational to expect him to blame Lion-O for their mother’s passing away.
Tygra has had more than his fair share of drama and pain in his life,he should have been either the King of the Tygra clan or in Thundera but due to the unfortunate circumstances he achieved none. I am not impressed why he developed this offensive attitude towards Lion-O as well as his aggressive conduct. Still, Tygra was mature and kind hearted enough to forgive Javen. Breaking the curse that kept prisoned his own clan, acted as a catharsis for all his pain and suffering he had endured.
I think this brilliant episode sets the record straight and both brothers have understood they should leave their differences behind. Each one has a purpose to uphold
Tygra feels obliged to follow his real father’s advice: ‘Always remember, You are a Tyger son, I’ll be watching you with pride’ Javan’s last words will relief and make Tygar let go of his persistent belief that he ought be the heir to the Lion and consequently theThundercats throne.
9.5/10 A masterpiece!
I’m starting to think they should just let Tab Murphy write all the episodes. It seems to me that almost all the best episodes were written by him.
We never saw Lion-O crying over the deaths of Claudus and Jaga, either. The only time we ever saw him come even close to shedding tears was at the death of Emrick in “Song of the Pedalars”, which was heartwrenching but should have had him at least sniffling and wiping away his tears. They had Kit and Kat bawling like babies, but it was done for comedic effect and I thought it was inappropriate for a moment like that. To have Cheetara’s eyes not even brim at her teacher Jaga’s sacrifice in “Journey to the Tower of Omens” was also unrealistic; what, “adult women don’t cry” in this series too? 
I can understand Panthro not tearing up at times like that, but then he seems to save his emotions for the ThunderTank. 
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I so agree with you there. Animation of that quality should inspire fan artists and those who want to become professional animators. 