The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)

A thread for the upcoming Spider-Man reboot. I’ll admit, I had my doubts from the very start but it’s because that Marvel and Disney hadn’t bought the rights from Sony to make their own Spider-Man filmsand potentially place him in any of their future films. The first trailer, did not help much. But then yesterday I saw the new trailer and let me tell you, it actually looks pretty damn good and the fact that I heard the web-slinger make a snarky comment is very welcoming.

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2012/02/07/amazing-spider-man-trailer

What’s your take, guys?

I would like to boycott this movie on the grounds that they just made a SpiderMan trilogy that was very good. It’s like everything else in Hollywood these days - take something that’s done and redo it. They need to stop and start coming up with new ideas. If they want to reinvent SpiderMan, give it a few decades before doing it. Just moho. :rolleyes:

This feels more like the webslinger I’ve loved from the comics. :thumbsup:

I talked about this on my Facebook page. But I’ll just get it out here too. As much as everyone loved the Sam Raimi films - and don’t get me wrong, his Evil Dead trilogy ranks as one of my all time favorite movies - I’m sorry. For me, there was just so much he got wrong in those movies. I just wasn’t feeling it. It wasn’t Spider-Man as I knew him. Granted, much of what I know of Spider-Man was more informed by the various TV shows over the years, from the 1960’s cartoon, to Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends, to the 1990’s show and Spectacular Spider-Man. And when I say this, fanboys will tell me, “Well if you read the actual comics, you’d feel differently. Blah-blah-blah.” Which is nonsense. Because by now most of the TV shows have replicated the classic comic story arcs, and his depiction in comics isn’t too far off from what was in the TV shows anyway. But I digress.

But where do I begin? Well, first off, Raimi’s Spider-Man hardly ever joked or wisecracked, which is pretty much what the character is known for doing. It’s a big part of what makes him fun. Peter Parker may have problems, but when he’s Spider-Man he becomes much more self-confident. All those problems just fall away. And of course with the anonymity of the mask, he can say things that he probably couldn’t get away with saying as Peter (ask your typical internet troll for similar examples).

By contrast, Maguire’s Peter was a moper and a whiner. “Why can’t I have what I want?” he asks in Spider-Man 2. I just wanted to grab him at that point and yell at him, “Dude! You’re freakin’ Spider-Man! You’re not totally helpless. Get out there and grow a pair!”

And also, while I understood that Maguire was the star and everything, it seemed both he and Raimi wanted to spend as little time having Peter in the costume or with the mask on as little as possible. Excuse me. I’m sorry, but I thought I was paying to see a movie called Spider-Man. Not Peter Parker Who Occasionally Dresses as Spider-Man. It just really annoyed me that Raimi would get the mask off Maguire. Every. Chance. He. Got.:mad:

There have been many movies where actors spend a whole film behind a mask and you never see their face. Hugo Weaving turned out a great performance in V For Vendetta. And Karl Urban’s taking a similar tack in the new Judge Dredd movie; obeying the cardinal rule that Dredd never takes off his helmet. So I don’t buy that you have see the actor, or that acting through a mask looks hokey. If the actor is good, the audience will buy into it.

And then there’s the villains. Everyone was spot-on with how the Green Goblin looked like a Power Ranger. But let’s not also forget Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 2, who looked like a flasher more than anything else. I mean, what else do you think of when you see a guy dressed in a trenchcoat and wearing sunglasses?

And Doc Ock was also so mischaracterized. He was never a nice guy! Ever! He was always egocentric, selfish and self-centered. Don’t give me that, “Oh, those mean old nasty tentacles made him do it.” Please.

But the thing that made me realize that Raimi had really dropped the ball was when he missed a golden opportunity to recreate a classic and significant moment in Spider-Man history. In Spider-Man 2, Mary Jane comes to the door and stands there, and I hoped that in that scene she would utter that famous line, “Face it, tiger. You hit the jackpot!” And it never came.

When Spider-Man 3 came out, I just couldn’t get excited anymore, because I knew what was coming. Ocelli and I were so underwhelmed, we left the theater. From what I understand, we didn’t miss much and to this day I don’t regret ever doing it. People have been ragging on Spider-Man 3 as the worst, but I argue that the problems in that movie had also been in the previous two. It’s just that that time the flaws were so apparent they could no longer be ignored.

But with this new movie? Considering Sony’s really only making it so they can keep the rights from going back to Marvel/Disney (really the worst possible reason to make a movie), it’s looking more promising than Raimi’s versions! Everything that I thought was missing in the Raimi movies is here: Peter Parker as a scientist? Check. Bitten by a radioactive spider (as opposed to a genetically engineered one)? Check. Mechanical webshooters (as opposed to organic)? Check. Spidey wisecracking? HUGE check! Also, for a director whose biggest movie before this was the romantic comedy 500 Days (of Summer), it looks like Mark Webb is putting even more and better action scenes in this than there were in the Raimi movies.

Also it’s a nice change of pace to have Gwen Stacy be the main romantic interest in this as opposed to Mary Jane, even though we know she’s doomed. And let’s face it, Peter was in a relationship with Gwen long before MJ showed up. So this makes it even closer to the comics. And while we may not have J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson (the only thing Raimi’s movies ever got right), Dennis Leary looks surprisingly good as Capt. Stacy.

And while The Lizard may not look exactly like his comic book depiction, he’s still pretty cool-looking and fearsome. He’s a Spider-Man villain I’ve always wanted to see get the big screen treatment next to Mysterio and the Vulture. And considering Raimi dangled Dr. Curt Connors in front of us for three whole movies and never followed-through, I’d say it’s about time

So yeah, I’m pretty much 100% behind this movie now after having seen that trailer. Finally it looks like the Spider-Man movie I really wanted to see. And it’s a shame it took three other movies before they got it right.

Lord Slithor, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I kinda liked the first two Spider-man movies despite the faults, the third one kinda sucked.

But really, at the heart of it, throughout ALL those movies Tobey was not a good Spider-man.

Now don’t get me wrong, he was a halfway decent Peter Parker, but he was awful as Spider-man. He didn’t have the comedic chops and came off as goofy.

With this new trailer I saw Spidey being a wiseass and skinny and smart and scientific. THAT is the Spider-man I want to see. Not an emo dancing crybaby.

The only hesitation I have is the casting on Uncle Ben and Aunt May. I thought Rami’s casting for them was spot on. But shrugs I’ll always wait to see the movie before I judge too harshly.

I kind of like the casting of Uncle Ben and Aunt May in this one. Martin Sheen is always good, and he brings that same sort of gravitas to the role that Cliff Robertson did the the first Raimi film.

I also like the idea of Sally Field as Aunt May. It’s nice for a change to have an Aunt May who’s healthy and, dare I say it? Kinda hot (Field is looking really good for her age). Looks like they’re taking a cue from the Ultimate comics on that, where May was kind of an aging hippie or something I think.

To me, with those two actors, it’s mainly a case of seeing the actors before the characters. I don’t look at them and see Uncle Ben and Aunt May. I look at them and see Martin Sheen and Sally Fields.

If that makes any sense.

I never read the comics. I loved Tobey as both Peter Parker and SpiderMan.

Oh, I so COMPLETELY disagree. I absolutely ADORE Spiderman 3. In fact, I list it among my top favorite movies of all time (I don’t include 1 and 2, just 3). I aboslutely love Spiderman 3, such a great movie! :thumbsup: I saw a lot of subtle things done in that movie that I really liked.

Anyhoo…

Chris here…

Maybe I’m easily pleased, but personally I loved Raimi’s Spider-Man trilogy - albeit Spidey 3 had some fairly obvious flaws, and is definitely my least favourite of the bunch. But I have to be honest, I loved and still love the first two Spidey movies… :slight_smile:

But that said - I am seriously pumped up for this new retelling of the Spider-Man saga, because something in my gut tells me that this has the potential to be the ultimate Spider-Man movie, taking all the best elements of Raimi’s trilogy and making them even better! So yep, I’m definitely eager for more Spider-Man on the big screen! :smiley:

Take care… :slight_smile:

And what made Batman by Nolan’s reboot different?

An exclusive clip from Kellogg’s of all things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2E4J_CcWs

I saw those earlier. MovieBob posted them on his own blog, where I commented there. Bob is one of those guys who seems to have it in for this movie from day one, determined not to give it any sort of chance because in his mind, the Raimi movies are untouchable. And his attitude with these clips was like, “See??? I’m positive it’s going to suck! Just look at this!!!”

I told him that this is just raw footage. Of course it’s going to look bad because it hasn’t been edited or ADR looped, there’s no music and it’s not even in context.

Again, the more I see of this, the better i think it’s going to be than the Raimi films. Now I’ll be perfectly happy to admit I was wrong if the movie comes out and it does end up sucking. But somehow, I just don’t think that’ll be the case.

A friend of mine told me about him. Yeah, MovieBob seems to hate everything. And I thought the sound was off in that clip but from what I can tell, it’s Spidey alright. Joking and being snarky all the same.

I wouldn’t say he hates everything. He’s a lot better than Rob Bricken over at Topless Robot, who seems to hate everything except for Tron.

There are things that I find myself totally disagreeing with him on, yes. He didn’t like John Carter or the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, whereas I loved them. He goes way overboard like many fanboys do with the irrational Michael Bay hate. And while he loved Splice all the way through, I thought it could have been a great movie had it not been undone by its last 10 minutes.

Other times, though, I find myself in total agreement with him on other things. We were both underwhelmed by The Hunger Games. He and I both loved Sucker Punch, as we both agreed it was a very misunderstood movie. I also enjoyed his looks at old daikaiju movies like Frankenstein Conquers the World and War of the Gargantuas. His looks at the history of comic book characters are fun and insightful. We seem to share the same political stance, although he seems to be more Libertarian while I lean more towards the Left. He and I also both agreed that Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (and by extension the other prequels) are nowhere near as bad as the fans have been making them out to be. Although unlike me, he’s not willing to let George Lucas completely off the hook. And he and I also share a similar stance regarding the sense of fanboy entitlement in the wake of both “Turtlegate” and the Mass Effect 3 ending controversy: Just because you’re a fan of something does not make you automatically entitled to it or make you its arbiter. Nor does it make you justified in throwing a hissyfit whenever someone decides to depict it in a way you may not like or give you an ending that doesn’t conform to your own expectations. Like he said, “You pay your ticket, you take your chance.”

So at the end of the day, his opinions are still ones I ultimately respect, even though I may find myself disagreeing with him from time to time.

Here is a 4-minute Preview of the upcoming Amazing Spiderman movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=16AwVWvjQhY

It gets better and better, the previous 3 Spiderman movies were like reading a Golden Age Spiderman comic, emphasis was laid on comedy, Spidey was the good and naive guy. I think this new take like in Nolan’s Batman will be much more darker and the story will be perplexed

Yeah, I think this is going to be really good too. Although it seems everywhere else I go on the internet, most people are the opposite: At best they’re disinterested. At worst they hate it. Whether or not that’s because they feel the Sam Raimi movies are perfect and untouchable (news flash: they aren’t) I can’t say. I’m sorry, but as I said before, those movies didn’t feel like Spider-Man to me. This one, however, does.

The thing is, though, that no matter how good it is, it’s not even going to come close to making the kind of money The Avengers has. Best case scenario is it will do about as well as The Dark Knight Rises, or come in third place. There’s rumors that Sony hates the movie, though I haven’t heard any reasons as to why, exactly. And if it doesn’t perform up to their expectations, they’ll see it as a failure just because it didn’t do Avengers box office.

The good news of that will probably be that they’ll scuttle their immediate plans for a sequel, and sell the movie rights back to Marvel/Disney while the IP is still worth anything; paving they way to integrate Spidey into any future Marvel movie projects.

Personally, I think this movie is going to surprise a lot of people in much the same way X-Men: First Class did. No one exactly had any high hopes for that either, as like with this Spider-Man movie, many saw it as just Fox’s way to keep holding on to the movie rights. But it went on to be one of the more pleasant surprises of last year’s summer movies, reinvigorated the franchise, and a sequel is gearing-up. The fact that co-star Jennifer Lawrence is a big name now thanks to The Hunger Games probably also helped.

So yeah, while I don’t think it’ll even come close to being as financially successful as The Avengers, I still think it’ll be a good movie.

Couldn’t agree more with your thoughts LordSlithor, Spiderman is connected to people’s mind with the naive and good guy who like to crack jokes and has to cope with everyday troubles, however as i mentioned this is the Golden Age Spiderman profile and Raimi’s approach on his films, the recent history has totally different scope.MacFarlane, D.Michelinie,Mrk Bagley and JMS gave a dark as well as in-depth stories of the essence of being a modern day Super Hero.This film will be more like it, probably Marvel is trying to do the same DC did with Batman’s darker and more serious relaunch

This movie might be the big bang of Summer, still i find it hard to beat TDKR.

Mark Webb talks about the film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ap1to3NRsnw

Two new clips from The Amazing Spider-Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9eJqYkhsk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fx1fdWW52o

McFarlane’s Torment was a dark approach to Spiderman and was heavily criticized for deviating from the character’s main elements. However, that was in the 90s ,now people are more prone to dark and obscure reprasantations of the heroes. So i strongly belive the new Spidey flick is going to be on very different than Sam Raimi’s version. It might surprise us all.

BTW, they have handled the swinging part very successfully! The first Video looks like First Night Out

Good clips! I agree with Lordore, they got the swinging part down pat. In fact, the last shot of him swinging under the bridge looks as if it was lifted directly from the '60s cartoon. so big plus from me! :smiley:

But again, I’m seeing hostile reactions on the internet, particularly from Topless Robot where the author really objected to Spidey shouting, “I’m swingn’!” Although to be fair, many pointed out that Spidey is supposed to be corny and spouting lame jokes, as that’s always been a part of his character and something that was missing from the Raimi films.

I really don’t understand the disconnect these movie nerd snobs are having about this. Did they not grow up watching the same Spider-Man that I did? I’ll cop to never having read the comics all my life, but I think I know about enough of Spider-Man’s history that I don’t think that would preclude me from making some educated observations and that, based on everything I know from various media, that this Spider-Man is a lot more faithful than Raimi’s movies. Or are they really just butthurt that Raimi isn’t making it and they’re taking their frustrations out on the movie?