The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

The translation of this phrase is [B]"Who watches the watchmen?"[/B]   After watching  Bob “Movie Bob” Chipman's review on the “Amazing Spiderman” movie I'm starting to wonder; who should criticize the critics?  Did he start this review when he first heard that his idol Sam Raimi wouldn't be involved? That  Sony was going to wipe the cinematic slate clean and reboot the story over? 




I have never heard such lack of professionalism for any movie.  This was a 6 minute rant that picked apart everything he was determined to not to like from the get go.  In fact, I think he wrote a good chunk of this before he walked into the theater.  Did you bring a mental list of everything you liked about the other Spiderman movie for comparison?   Do I have to etch the definition of the word reboot the way Lisabeth Salander did in “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo”?   


Well I'm going to play Siskel to your Ebert and say this was the movie I wanted when the other trilogy started.  I loved watching the costume evolve from a knit cap to the mask to the aerodynamic costume we know.  The fact that he was inspired to create the mask from a Luchadore poster was a fun Easter Egg that any True Believer could smile about.   


Starting the story with Peter being left with his Aunt May and Uncle Ben was genus .  Few people outside the fandom know much about Richard and Mary Parker and it adds to his inner conflict.  Tying in Richard's work on cross genetic manipulation to Oscorp brings intrigue and depth that was missing before.  I also loved how Gwen Stacy was smarter than Peter.  Yes the young woman genus is very real in the 21st century.   


Andrew Garfield is the Peter Parker of this era.  Rough around the edges and very intelligent; in other words, he's a smart-ass and he uses it well when he's got the mask on.  Some of his best moments were when he was in costume.  All the things I wanted him to say he said with wit and snark that I loved in the comics.  He's also sincere when it matters.  In other words, not a teen of the 1960's.   


Marc Webb showed that what makes a comic movie really work is to invest us in the characters.  All the great action scenes fall flat when you could care less about who's been hurt.  These are real people rather than cardboard caricatures.  They have great as well as not so great moments.  Even the robber who killed Uncle Ben seemed like a real person.  You get a sense of evolution that pays off in the end when the Lizard tries to, in his twisted mind, create a better race.   


In other words, this is the essential great reboot.  It takes the best of what came before and updates it.  If you have fond memories of the comics, go see this movie.  If you love movies with heart and characters worth caring about, see this movie.  If you enjoy a great combination of action and story, see this movie and buy the Blu-Ray.

All right. I saw The Amazing Spider-Man today. What did I think of it? Uh, well…amazing!

In fact, I liked this movie a whole lot more than all three of Sam Raimi’s movies put together! There! I’ve said it! (“Oh no! Consternation! Uproar!”)

Let me get this straight, I love Sam Raimi. I think he’s a great director. His Evil Dead movies are among my all-time favorites. But while he’s great at directing broad, physical stuff, he really comes up short in characterization. And that was the biggest problem for me with those movies. I just didn’t care about the characters. Especially not the relationship between Peter Parker and Mary Jane. And that was what you were supposed to care about the most. But instead, it just came off as tedious.

So when Marc Webb was chosen for director, a guy whose biggest movie prior to this was I Days of Summer[/I], which was a Romantic Comedy that was character-driven and focused on relationships, I was skeptical. But it turned out, that was what the Spider-Man movies needed all along. You needed a director who was good at bringing out the characters and the subtleties of their relationships. This is something Webb realized and what Raimi failed at. You can have all the web-slinging and over the top superhero vs. supervillain battles you want, but it doesn’t mean anything if you don’t CARE about the characters! It’s elementary storytelling.

Simply put, this movie succeeded for me on everything that the Raimi movies failed at. Andrew Garfield is a way better Peter Parker than Tobey Maguire. Emma Stone was also great as Gwen Stacy, and the relationship between the two had way more sincerity and chemistry than with Maguire and Kirsten Dunst (again, you CARE!) Martin Sheen was a great Uncle Ben, and Sally Field was a surprisingly good Aunt May. Denis Leary was also great as Capt. Stacy, and Rhys Ifans was appropriately both alternately menacing and sympathetic as the Lizard, as he should be.

The evolution of Spidey’s costume was also better-handled. So that by the time we finally see him in full garb, it really felt like it was earned. I was also glad to see him using mechanical webshooters. And while that’s more of a fanboy nitpick, I was never 100% on board with the organic webshooters of the Raimi films. For me, it was always mechanical.

Also, there’s much more of Parker as Spider-Man in this movie. Raimi’s movies just never seemed to have enough Spider-Man in a movie that was called Spider-Man. Raimi’s Spidey was also strangely mute throughout most of the films, whereas Spider-Man has always traditionally been a chatterbox. So I was very pleased to see Spidey in this movie chatting it up and quipping through his mask.

And speaking of the mask, another big problem I had with Raimi’s movies was that they felt to me like they were always trying to contrive ways to get the mask off Maguire every chance they got. Whether that was because Raimi felt Maguire couldn’t act through the mask or Maguire himself just didn’t like to wear it I don’t know. And while there are moments in this film as well where Peter has to unmask, not once to me did they feel forced or artificially contrived. In fact, in two instances, they’re pretty significant, and in one of them it’s even a major plot point! So I can’t begrudge the movie at all in this case for doing it.

I really don’t have much bad to say about this film. But if I had to single out any possible minuses, J. Jonah Jameson is conspicuous by his absence, but there’s no doubt in my mind he’s being saved for the sequel. And while the Green Goblin may not be the main villain in this one, I’m glad that they decided not go with the obvious choice and went with the somewhat less popular Lizard instead. Besides, considering that Gobby is a big deal, it looks as if from this movie that we’re getting some build-up to him just as we did with the Joker in Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies. So that when he does finally show up, it’ll feel like a real treat.

Also, and this is really just a technical thing, the projector bulb in the theater we saw it in burned out at the last few seconds of the movie, so we didn’t see that or the post-credits scene for that matter. The management gave us free passes, though, and we’ll more than likely put that towards The Dark knight Rises.

A lot of fanboys have been sharpening their knives in anticipation of this movie, actively hating it and rooting for it to fail. I can’t understand why, as it’s probably more faithful in spirit to Spider-Man than Raimi’s movies ever were (Which incidentally were faithful in terms of story adaptation, almost to the point of slavishness. But that’s not as important as being faithful in terms of spirit.) And there’s certainly plenty of them to nitpick at. They’ll probably be particularly upset that the line, “With great power comes great responsibility” is never uttered. But seeing as how we’ve heard it a thousand times before and that’s it’s pretty much integral to Spider-Man’s character, I think we can do without hearing it just this once. Besides, hearing it said aloud these days would just come off as preachy and heavy-handed. And I think Martin Sheen’s Uncle Ben paraphrases it quite nicely in this movie. (Also, incidentally, I think his death as it’s depicted in this movie has far more emotional impact than in any telling of Spider-Man’s origin that I’ve seen to date). For me, this is the Spider-Man movie I wanted all those years ago when the first movie came out.

Sure, a lot of fanboys will be disappointed, because obviously this means that Sony will retain the movie rights, keeping Marvel/Disney from incorporating Spidey into any future movie projects a la The Avengers. And I think that’s probably where a lot of this hostility is coming from. But for me, a good story is a good story, regardless of who is responsible for making it. And judged on its own merits as a superhero movie - and more importantly as a Spider-Man movie - it’s a damn good one!

Great movie, even though i enjoyed the first 2 movies this one surpasses them and we finally have Lizard at last.

Garfield was convincing as Spider-Man/Peter Parker and i love how the new direction is going, i think we need Kingpin with Hobgoblin and Mysterio for a sequel.

Out of curiosity Slithor, do you think Miles Warren, the Jackal might be the mysterious person in the post-credits scene?

great review and write up Lord Slithor, thank you for bringing so much insight of the New Spiderman movie.
I haven’t seen it yet, it will come out next week in Greece and certainly i am going to watch it.

So far i’ve read mixed comments. The darker approach, which is fine by me, was chastised by the majority of the press as an unsuccessful effort to bring a TDK vibe into the movie.Spiderman is a different character and hero and shouldn’t borrow elements that don’t fit him. Also, the repetition of the Origin story has become a bit tedious and boring to watch.

At the film’s official facebook page it’s announced that this is the first installment and there will be 2 more movies coming out. So we have a new Trilogy.

Well, Movie-Brat, like I said, I couldn’t see the post-credits scene as the projector bulb chose around that time to burn out, even though I could still hear the audio. I was later able to see a recording of it that someone posted onto YouTube, though. As for my thoughts…

[spoiler]My first thought was that it could actually be Norman Osborn himself. But then, how could he have gotten into Connors’ cell? From what I could tell, the voice sounded kind of old, and what I could see of his hair and hands as well suggested someone elderly. So if it is Osborn, it would be a radical reworking of the character if/when we finally get to see him.

On further reflection, I’m thinking this could be Adrian Toomes (the Vulture). He would be about the right age, and he could also, like Connors, be a scientist in the employ of Oscorp, and would no doubt be working on his flight suit with maybe a little of that cross-genetic manipulation with birds thrown in.

Considering that they seem to be wanting to put in villains who haven’t yet had their big screen debut, like the Lizard, I’m guessing the Vulture would be next in line. Seeing how Vulture, along with many of my favorite Spider-Man villains, have yet to be seen on the big screen (Mysterio, Kraven, Electro and Scorpion), I’m guessing they’ll go with the ones who haven’t been used yet.[/spoiler]
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I never got the impression watching it that they were deliberately trying to ape the style of Batman Begins. I don’t think they were going for that sort of a realistic take on it. Nor did I get a “Grim n’ Gritty” vibe off it either. I just thought this movie took itself a more seriously than the Raimi movies did, which were very cheesy and campy.

If there was one thing, however, that it did seem to take from Batman Begins, it was the idea of holding off on using the biggest nemesis until the next movie; teasing and building up to his entrance in this movie so that it’ll be a big deal later. Just like they hinted at the Joker at the end of Batman Begins, Norman Osborn is constantly being referred to in this movie and of course Oscorp itself plays a very big part in the proceedings. In fact…

It’s mentioned that Osborn himself is very ill and possibly dying. Which is why in one scene, one of his flunkies goes down to see Connors and leans on him to hurry up and finish the serum that Connors in working on. Obviously this is to facilitate Osborn’s eventual change into the Green Goblin. My guess is that even though some tweaks are made to the serum in the interim, it’ll still be dangerous and unstable by the time of the next sequel. Osborn will probably still be unwilling to wait, though, goes ahead and takes it, and ta-da!: Green Goblin!

As far as a retelling of the origin story, yeah, I’ve seen it told and retold umpty-million times. But unlike Raimi’s fairly rote retelling of it, at least this one manages to make it interesting and changes some of the details a bit. And while I’m sure this is leaving some of the fanboys screaming, “Betrayal!” I personally am not averse to taking the story and doing something interesting with it, so long as the core of it remains true. And that’s what they did here.

Personally, I still think it’s The Jackal. Don’t know if this was in the comics or not but did he know Dr. Curt Connors?

I don’t know which Batman you’re talking about. Who is Nolan and which Batman did he/she do?

Okay, so despite all my reservations about this movie, I did go ahead and see the new SpiderMan movie and I was very pleasantly surprised. I liked it a lot, minus the shaky camera movements in the action scenes that made the action hard to follow and left my feeling sick and dizzy. But I really liked the characters and the storyline. I liked the reason for the guy going crazy in this one better than in the first SpiderMan movie with Tobey Maguire. I liked that he was really a good guy who just wanted to find a cure. It actually makes him feel a whole lot more tragic. Am I right that the villain in this new movie is supposed to be the Green Goblin?

The only thing I did not like in this movie is that SpiderMan could not shoot webs out of his wrists. Was that in the comics because I’m not a fan of him having to use this weird technology that doesn’t make any sense to me how it works.

the villain in this movie is The Lizard, not Green Goblin.

and the wrist shooters were always technology that Peter created. it was one of the main things that fans hated about the previous Spider-Man movies

oh, and the “Nolan Batman” referenced earlier is in reference to the current Batman movies : Batman Begins, Dark Knight, and Dark Knight Rises. Christopher Nolan is the director

Oh. Well in that case, I have no idea why you’re asking me that KorbenDallas as I have not discussed the Batman movies that I can recall. I do not like the current Batman trilogy at all to be honest. They are much too dark for my tastes and I have no intention of seeing the third one that is out in theaters right now.