Hammy,every episode did not follow that formula. In fact many great epoisodes didn’t even have Mumm-Ra in them at all.
I consider OS like Star Wars IV, V, VI.
I think of NS as I,II, III.
OS, likeable, fun, exciting.
NS, dull, boring, uninteresting, unlikeable…and just like III you knew it would end bad.
This whole “oh, our planet is destroyed, we need to find a new home” thing was ONE EPISODE. The rest of the show was “we’re here to protect people but we’re the new guys, which means we unnaturally trust EVERYONE that moves no matter how suspicious they look.”
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You can’t say it ended badly when that wasn’t the planned ending. And (off topic) I like all the Star Wars movies equally. I will say Attack of the Clones wasn’t the best, though.
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That would be an opinion
I also agree with you 100%. They took everything that people loved about Thundercats and through it away.
It’s like Avatar or any other genric anime with cat people.
I look at TMNT, Transformers, Batman, He-Man etc and they are true to the characters and stick roughly to thesame mythos and expand it and thecharacters even more.
All Jelenic and co did to Thundercats spit on their legacy.
I’d love to see you understand estimates, but at the same time, I don’t care much for people who can’t spell “drummed” right.
And once again…yes, because I’m completely wrong about the OS being formulaic and the NS writers trying to make the series NOT like the OS on purpose.
You can’t say it ended badly when that wasn’t the planned ending. And (off topic) I like all the Star Wars movies equally. I will say Attack of the Clones wasn’t the best, though.
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That would be an opinion
AOTC was the worst, I agree with you on that :), but the 3 prequeals are everything the originals were not. Also Hayden Christiansen and other cast memebers are terrible actors.
Hayden wasn’t great, but it wasn’t awful. I thought Ewan McGregor did a decent job and the supporting cast was good. The problem was the focus on visual effects, which didn’t really bother me too much. I can agree by saying the acting in the original 3 was better.
I meant tsay some of the cast not all of them. Hayden’s acting was so wooden…not to mention they turned Anakin Skywalker the man that would become Darth Vader into a joke. I always imagined Anakin as a proud great warrior equal to Ob-Wan but instead Anakin is emo angst ridden idiot who carries on like a teenager.
Also thats a good omparison of OS and NS Lion-O. 
In the Star Wars case it was (a lot more) ridiculous because they portrayed Vader as a ruthless villain. So for some, to show him as an emotional teenager was a huge shock, and although realistic for him to be like that, I didn’t think it fit very well. In the TCats case, they really were just trying to portray him differently than in the OS, which is (more) excusable.
Portraying him differently though was the main problem as the thread points out; OS Lion-O acted with the code of Thundera in mind, as did all the other Thundercats, unlike the NS Thundercats.
I guess what I am trying to say is instead of distancing itself and trying to do homages to the OS when it suited them they should have stuck closer to the characters etc the OS created.
I just don’t see how that’s an issue. It made all of them conform their personalities to what the code stated. If they would have went by the code in the NS, it would have been highly uninteresting with them NEVER lying, ALWAYS honoring elders, ALWAYS dishing out justice (which is what Lion-O learned NOT to do in the NS), and ALWAYS being loyal. If the code was portrayed more as something that was more of a “law” that could be broken than something programmed into the minds of the cats in the OS, then maybe it would fit better in the NS. Plus, the NS wasn’t/isn’t over, so they might (have planned to) add it in.
I do believe that these characters can be flawed, but they try to be the best they can be by now recognizing the Code of Thundera. People who are hardcore fans that actually follow this code I think are real men and women of their generation. I believe there are parents (unfortunately) who are in various situations where they can’t instill values into their children properly AS WELL AS we are losing male role models in this generation. Boys don’t have enough male role models to look up to. We need more male adult role models in series who are just as “human” as we are, but they learn to strive and thrive by getting character development. I mean look at My Little Pony:FiM for example. Yeah, for girls, but boys and men dig the characters, but how many action/adventure shows (besides Transformers Optimus Prime) can you name off the top of your head that are good male role models? Yes, it is the responsibility of the parents, but in my surroundings I see parents that seem to be in a predicament where they never wanted kids or don’t know how to handle them. There are other benefactors like working from pay check to pay check and not spending time with them, etc. But it’s the truth! TV is kind of a surrogate parent at times for kids.
Hence, my argument is that I think (and believe) the CoT would work in the series because sadly there are kids whom TV shows are the parents, and we as young or regular adults should have a reminder at times to have such values instilled in us. I think it can get a bit “preachy” but there are ways to iron that out with the characters tuning a plain and simple truth out, and then “The best lesson learned is learned the hard way.” There ya go!
I think the “best lesson learned” is by knowing your mistakes due to your own personal error, not conforming yourself to a law or code. I (while not denying that it would fit) believe that there’s a difference between knowing a crime like stealing or trespassing is wrong than just not doing it because of some law. It’s something that you should learn, whether it be taught by parents/guardians or learned the hard way. Kit and Kat in the NS learned that stealing things was wrong without the help of some code to do so. Lion-O learned that he should respect Panthro and the other cats’ opinions and ideas, and not because of a code.
You absolutely do not get it, hammy. It’s not for the sake of a “code.” It’s for the sake of where people are getting information in a fantasy world that morals can be an application in one’s life in reality whether you’re getting the morality from books (fiction/non-fiction), media, art (fine and performing,) and music. Listen, what I’m am ABSOLUTELY for for everyone no matter what background one is is that they be a functioning member of society with good moral character. Some are not religious and some live in a neighborhood or a city where there is chaos and some even in a home life where abuse and neglect as well as emotional trainwrecks are present. I worked with kids like that before. My benefactor is that such things can be a good moral compass in a young person’s life to be above what is going on around them. .\When I was working in Sunday School with bus routes, which are kids our church picks up in low income neighborhoods, we only got an hour and a half before they have to go back to some of those hell holes most of those kids have to deal with. But what little we can instill in a reality (or those who don’t believe, fantasy) by telling them these stories of Bible characters facing incredible odds and seeing great miracles in the end can instill something into them, I believe the entertainment industry such as a series like Thundercats or My Little Pony and past as well as future media can as well.
Yes but the problem is Hammy, loyalty is expected of a close group of friends and families. You look at any small group from A-team, Galaxy Rangers, Defenders of the Earth, TMNT and original Thunderctas all were loyal and trusted each other. If anything making them more loyal to each other would increase their character. If they had made them more loyal maybe they could have written some interesting episodes. Again this is just another fine example of the stupidity of the writers, director and producers of the show.
In the OS they were not brainwashed by the code, they lived by a decent moral code but in many episodes various characters had times when the lied, doubt and didn’t didn’t tell the others everything in some epsides such as Garden of Delights, Wizra, Mongor etc. And they had many great adventures due to the code they believes in.
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:D:liono clap, clap clap, clap. EXACTLY!
What I just heard is “Other people do it. They should do it too!” I am just beside myself with how close-minded some of these OS fans are. Not to mention the characters in the NS were gaining the parts of the code instead of just having it there in the first place. There is nothing wrong with that. Let’s see…for example:
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[li]Lion-O: Justice for Mumm-Ra for destroying Thundera, Loyalty by continuing to lead the cats even in times of doubt, Honor by learning to respect others’ ideas and not be as hotheaded, and Truth because he really never lied[/li][li]Tygra: Loyalty by finally letting Lion-O be king and realizing his brother is a worthy leader, Loyalty by staying with Lion-O even after being tempted to remain with his father, Justice for the same reason Lion-O has it, and Truth because he really didn’t lie either (though he was rather snarky)[/li][li]Panthro: Loyalty because it’s capitalized on the whole freaking show, Honor by allowing Lion-O to prove to him his worth, Justice by banishing Grune for aiding Mumm-Ra, and Truth because (once again) he didn’t have a reason not to tell it[/li][/ul]
Just because it isn’t “Hey guyz we have a code!!! OMG!!!” doesn’t mean they aren’t showing good morals or following it anyway.
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And I go back to the “why does everything have to have morals?” thing. I can tell you I didn’t learn crap from watching Teen Titans no matter how hard you try to tell me I did. They even capitalize on it in one episode (can’t remember which one, but they say something like “So we won, and there’s no lesson to be learned or anything?” followed by Cyborg suggesting food). Shows like The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy were very dark, did not show good morals ever, and no one ever learned a message in the end. The characters did not get along well most of the time and there was no code or anything. It was just entertainment and nothing more.
And does that mean I like the NS because it lacks morals? No, in two different ways: a) It does have morals and lessons, and b) I’d like it even if it didn’t. I view the NS as a more realistic and adult take on teamwork because you can’t sugarcoat everything. There’s never going to be any team that just works without any kinks or quarrels in real life. It just doesn’t happen. I guess you could complain for the kids’ sake of sheltering them from the negatives in the world. But to say the show’s writing was awful because they didn’t pinpoint out good lessons or that they weren’t a good team from the get go is just not even fair to the writers who were building the team as the story went on nor to the people who are trying to enjoy the show for what it is.
Also, if the show apparently suffered due to these lack of morals, ask the nearest six-year-old if he likes TMNT, or Transformers, or whatever because of the lessons they learn. Do you honestly think that’s why they watch the show? I don’t watch Spongebob because of the fact that they’re marine animals because that’s about as boring to me as learning stuff is to 6-11 year olds. The show suffered because CN didn’t advertise it, therefore not as many people watched it/knew when it switched to Saturdays, leading to less toy sales which CN and WB seemingly solely depended on for funding towards the show.
Hammy you are so stubborn and close minded you can’t understand what is being said.
The point is we all learned these things from the show and other shows when w were young. Yes we learned them from our parent and school etc, but when you seee your cartoon heroes living by these examples it’s very positive for kids.
The writing and direction of the NS is so bad I doubt kids that watch it now (and thats not many) will ave learned the same morals etc we did.
I’m not doubting it can, but there are shows already like MLP (which I do love) that do have lessons and morals and that stuff. In fact, plenty of them. So why does ThunderCats have to be this way? Who or what said that it had to have that requirement? And why do other shows besides ThunderCats get by without enforcing, or even hinting, these good messages?
We agree to disagree. Now we can go our separate ways.
I, once again, don’t think I learned anything from 99% of the cartoons I enjoyed watching, nor did I envision myself living under their example. The closest I was to that was maybe dressing up as them for Halloween or wishing I could have their specific superpowers. I don’t stand for all kids out there, that’s for sure, but as a majority I don’t think kids care if the lesson is learned; they just want the good guys to win.
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Yes, because I base my life around the cartoons I watched 
. If anything, Facebook, Twitter, the internet in general, other TV shows not on CN, and so many other social norms are what would make future generations lack the “morals” we “have.” To say one show that was on twice only on the weekends is what will ruin kids is not even making logical sense. And even worse is to blame it on the directing and writing. If you truly believe that the reason you didn’t like the show is because you were afraid kids would be negatively influenced by some sibling rivalry or the fact that the good guys don’t win every time, then that’s your own flaw, not the writers’.
And also, it’s on at 2:30 in the morning on Toonami, if that makes you feel better about the downfall of society due to a kids’ TV show.
Again, I wouldn’t expect that of a 6 year old but using myself as an example I watched Thundercats constantly growing up. I had a load of episodes recrded on tapes and I watched them when I felt like it. And a lot of certain things they taught have stuck with me. Especially ‘Better an honest enemy than a false friend.’
What is being said is that the new show, due to bad writing etc, does not convey the morals of each character very well.
As for kids wanting the good guys to win in the end, thats kind of the point to an extent, like why would kids watch a bunch of ‘heroes’ that keep losing again? another example of the bad direction and writing with the show.
I never blamed it for decreasing morals or ruining kids, you would need to lear to read correctly because I never wrote that.
I only blame the writers, directors and animators because the show was crap, end of story, adults didn’t like it and neither did kids because it was as boring as watching paint dry.