I don’t know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering if and/or how the ThunderCats’ actions throughout the new series follow the Code of Thundera as described in the original series (Justice, Truth, Honor, and Loyalty). I am just asking for opinions and discussion.
For instance, it could be said that Pumyra did not follow the loyalty part of the code when she betrayed the ThunderCats, but it could also be said that Pumyra was loyal to Mumm-Ra, thus adhering to the code.
In all honesty, I just wanted to put a topic out there so there was something to do in these forums.
That would be interesting to see. Lion-O establishing the Code of Thundera; however, i would the=ink that if Lynx-O would show in season 2, if the show gets renewed, he would criticize the “new” ThunderCats for not following the Code of Thundera.
This is correct, in the OS it was mentioned many timed the code Of Thundera, this is where the team based its power and unity.
In the NS, since we can’t say the team acted like one, at least in the first 15 eps, they were more in the process of working it out, the Code wasn’t so obvious
Still, you could see signs ingrained to the characters.
In the original series all the characters believed and practiced the code throught the series.
In the new series from the Thundercats actions in the very first episode none of the characters or the thundarian society live by the code. Again more proof that the writers for the show did not know what they were doing with the property.
I don’t agree with that, the NS writing themes is a whole new ball game and we shouldn’t compare it to the OS scenarios. I strongly believe and been mentioning in many times in the past, that the new set of writers did a fantastic job exploring and shedding light on many issues and topis which were never touched in the OS.
The Code of Thundera was an important part of ThunderCats. It shows that the ThunderCats are true warriors and heroes, fighting for a cause and defending the weak and helpless from evil.
I think the whole thing was just a scam to have them “trust everyone” so Mumm-Ra could use a disguise every other episode in order for them to cut down on writing time.
It wasn’t made to be a copy. They didn’t want to have to rely on the other series to make it a good show. If it would have been more like the OS, most kids would become uninterested in its extreme lack of threatening villains and formulaic episode storylines with a complete and total absence of anything even considered a good story. In other words, the OS would not work now on TV and pretty much only the people who watched it as kids would watch it. It did not age well and kids now would not like it.
Gotta say I agree with you 100%. If we had gotten more actual Thundercats and not as much Star Wars, Dark Crystal, Moby Dick, and so on, I firmly feel that the series wouldn’t be in such jeopardy.
To me, the new staff took out too much that made Thundercats Thundercats and replaced it with a lot of bad choices.
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Well Hammy, it’s a good thing you don’t speak for kids or adults because that was a bunch of hot air you just blew.
The fact that the OS is still so beloved and in demand puts your rant into the fiction category.
Hammy that is the biggest load of crap. News flash Hammy, kids didn’t like your beloved NS. Look at the new TMNT and TF Prime. Those are some what formulaic shows and stick very close to the original series’…and get this, you’ll LOL, those shows are actually successful.
Guess why, likeable characts and interesting stories.
OS had likeable and honorable characters and the show had fun stories that taught us valuable life lessons about justice, truth, honor and loyalty.
NS writers taught no valuable lessons about justice, truth, honor and loyalty or anything else for that matter. The fact they didn’t teach any lessons could be excused except for the fact the characters were unlikeable and bland and the overall story arc of the show was so boring. How can kids like a show thats not exciting or engaging? If the characters were even some what likeable the kids may have cared about their quest but instead it was a show about characters no one liked on a quest about as thrilling as going to the supermarket.
Mumm-Ra uses disguise; tricks cats into trusting him; reveals later he is Mumm-Ra; Sword of Omens saves them. There is 75% of the episode stories right there. And there is NOTHING likable about Snarf.
Valuable lessons does not always equal a good show.
…by adults…not kids.
Kids like Adventure Time, Level Up!, Regular Show, and Gumball and they are neither of the sort (if we’re talking in “opinions=facts” language).
Yes, because I’m completely wrong about the OS being formulaic and the NS writers trying to make the series NOT like the OS on purpose. It’s not like they said that or anything…no, not at all!
Hmmm, Cats escape their dying world, journey to Third Earth where they have adventures, establish a new home, fight evil and injustice, and promote positive morals and values. Yeah, no storyline there at all nor can I see how they managed 130 episodes… (sarcaism dripping)
If the NS was worth advertising, it would have been.
“Mumm-Ra uses disguise; tricks cats into trusting him; reveals later he is Mumm-Ra; Sword of Omens saves them. There is 75% of the episode stories right there.” And yet 130 episodes to 26 NS episodes. At least Mumm-Ra was a threat in the OS whereas in the NS he is a background character defeated more easily then the OS ever could have been.
“And there is NOTHING likable about Snarf.” That is your opinion and as has been shown time again, your opinion is more often simply spiteful and not heavily agreed upon.
Actually, valuable lessons do make a good show. That is why the shows that had them succeeded.
Adults and kids like the OS. Doesn’t matter if you can’t wrap your head around that fact. If only adults liked the OS, it wouldn’t have had such a great run on Toonami’s afternoon block.
Adventure Time, Level Up!, Regular Show, and Gumball are all shows with minimal family disfunction. Of course kids are going to respond to those shows. NS Thundercats actively promoted a disfunctional family and kids didn’t want that. Odds are they wanted it more like the OS - an actual family unit that helped more than it hurt.
If you get the time, listen to some of the Podcasts by Larry Kenny. He describes the fan letters that mean the most to him are from kids who didn’t and don’t have the best family life and thanked him for Thundercats giving them an escape, for Thundercats showing what a real family was supposed to look like.
“the old show felt more like a Saturday morning animated series and this feels more like a movie” -Michael Jelenic
Yeah it’s not like Jelenic said bunches of stuff that ended up flat out wrong. Nor is it like he’d promote a project of his as positively as possible…
And uh, Hammy, when was NS Thundercats cartoon airing? Wasn’t it Saturday mornings? Yeah, I thought so.
You don’t have to like the fact the OS will always trump the NS in all areas except clean animation lines; the rest of us can do it for you.
And uh…whose fault is that? Wasn’t it the network and NOT the writers? Yeah, I thought so.
Okay great. I’m glad that the OS did that. Can there be shows that DO have families that “don’t work” or have to learn to work as a family? And wouldn’t that be more of a lesson than just flat out having them work together with absolutely no arguments or anything?
The Legend of Korra: one of the most popular animated shows now.
Lessons taught:
Good girls go for bad guys.
You can totally not work at anything and still be viewed as awesome.
No matter how badly you fail others or yourself, your past life will always be able to perform Deus ex Machina powers to save you.
Suicide is totally okay on a TV-Y7 show.
Watch “What Lies Above” again and tell me honestly that Mumm-Ra wasn’t a threat.
That was one episode. That’s like saying Spongebob has an ongoing story because he got a job at the Krusty Krab in the first episode and still has it.
I’m guessing the same goes for Young Justice (Emmy Award winner), Green Lantern (which I honestly don’t like), and Sym-Bionic Titan? Yes, because CN totally doesn’t have an awful reputation for not promoting shows well enough.
And here’s another thing; I don’t doubt that some kids didn’t like the NS. Now that the NS is on Toonami, it fits more with an audience that can truly enjoy it. Not to mention they actually promote it. Plus, it was gone from Toonami for a couple of years and cartoons, as well as kids, have changed a lot since it was taken off Toonami.
Actually, a lot people would agree with me on that. I’m not saying it’s a fact, but a good 75% of people find Snarf extremely annoying and unnecessarily used throughout the OS. And in case you think I’m an uninformed critic; I own both seasons of the OS.
If the writers produced something of quality, it wouldn’t have been shuffled by the networks. Fact is, what the writers gave wasn’t good enough.
There can be shows that promote disfunction but like those that tried it in the past, they’d just fail.
No, it wouldn’t be much of a lesson beacuse it’s not teaching nor promoting anything positive.
Actually, Korra had by far more to it than that but given the diaper changing tantrums you’ve thrown in the past over that series, it is easy to see you speak through a closed mouth.
Mumm-Ra wasn’t much of a threat in What Lies Above. Tygra was more of a threat to the Thundercats than Mumm-Ra was in those episodes.
Then again, What Lies Above was by and large just a rewrite of Between Brothers and Into the Astral Plane where Mumm-Ra wasn’t much of a threat either so…
Actually, that was the premise for the entire series, not just one episode. Are you sure you are an “informed critic” because thus far, you haven’t acted like it in much of any way.
Considering YJ and GL do get promoted…Fans even got announcements that the DC Nation block would be taking a break until January.
Not to mention the fact they are both popular DC titles known outside of their animated TV shows as well…
Exactly! Cartoons change. Not always for the better. Sometimes, many times, the original remains the gold standard as is the case with Thundercats.
I’d love to see the polls where you drumed up this 75% of people but at the same time, I don’t care much for the Imaginationland Gazette.
Great for you, you own both seasons of the OS. Doesn’t change the fact that by and large, your presentation of the OS is totally off kilter.
DC Nation has been shuffled, and both shows on it before DC Nation existed were as well. Young Justice has gone on so many random hiatuses, whether it be a week or 6 months, that it’s been gone more than it has been on. CN is to blame here, not any writer.
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And once again, I go to Young Justice, mainly because it’s such a damn good show. It doesn’t promote anything necessarily good. Their family is highly dysfunctional 99% of the time, and there are no real morals that are taught nor lessons learned besides “that plan didn’t work.”
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I know it has more to it than that, but those were some major “lessons” learned in the series (showing that good shows once again do not need to promote good lessons or anything). That statement actually wasn’t meant to criticize the show in any way.
