Episode 009 – The Garden of Delights

New characters introduced:

Molemen – Mole people who burrow underground.

The fact Tygra is so susceptible to outside influences is quite strange. As we will learn in the anointment trials, the Tiger clan has powerful mind trick powers. So for a member of the Tiger clan to be so susceptible is very odd.

But Tygra’s actions while under the influence makes for a good moral about not taking stuff from strangers as you never know what it really is. It also deals with the affects of addition (from magical fruit)

Sword Rule #10 – The sword will try to deter anyone from stealing it, but it will not cause harm if the person is not evil.

One of my all-time favorite one-line comebacks:
“How do you feel?”
“With my fingers!”

Mumm-Ra learned his lesson in Pumm-Ra and is now aware of Sword Rule #6 – Sword can’t be used for evil deeds. However, he is now going to experiment with ways to bypass that rule…

At this point some really weird things start happening. Mumm-Ra, decayed form, is able to handle the sword. Mumm-Ra, everliving form, puts the sword in the cauldron and recites some spell that apparently allows anyone to handle it. Monkian takes the sword and throws it in front of Willa and when she touches it, she is teleported to Mumm-Ra’s pyramid. This episode could have easily been made into a two part series.

Sword Rule #7 (Sight Beyond Sight can show others events) is reconfirmed and expanded. The Sword can not only be used to show others events, but the sword can be used by other good beings.

However, things get really weird when the ThunderCats are captured. The sword can’t be used for evil deeds, yet it can be used to take ThunderCats hostage? And why use the sword like that when Lion-O could just call to it and have it go to him?

Big Word of the Episode: Ingenuity – Apply ideas and concepts to overcome obstacles.

There are obvious holes in Mumm-Ra’s plan in this episode. Knowing how powerful the sword is and that it cannot be used for evil, Mumm-Ra was asking to be defeated here. Even if Willa had wanted to do Mumm-Ra’s bidding, the sword would have never let itself be used to harm any of the ThunderCats. Either Mumm-Ra is stupid, or he is already desperate to find a way to defeat the ThunderCats.

I didn’t like this episode at all for many of the reason you mentioned. There was just too much stuff that seemed inconsistent. Tygra “falling” so easily, Mumm-ra making a play for a sword he couldn’t use, the sword being allowed to do so much that skirts on evil, if not right out evil, and Lion-o not trying the simple act of using the force to get this lightsab–er, I mean calling the sword to his hand. Plus, when did Tygra break free from his addiction, and how? That didn’t seem to be there at all.

I too am not too crazy about this one, though it seems to be a bit of a fan favourite. I found it a bit hard to swallow that Tygra would sell the Thundercats out like this, and even harder that the others would be so forgiving. If a friend of mine helped someone to try to kill me in exchange for a “fix”, I think that’d be the end of our friendship, to say the least. What happened to “loyalty” in the Code of Thundera?

I do agree the storytelling in this episode is a bit clunky, mainly because everyone else in the episode explains what’s going on except Tygra, the person this is all happening to! I think if he’d had more dialogue, things would have been clearer.

What I find interesting is how at the end they all basically say “It’s OK, you’re not responsible.” But when you think about it, in real life, that’s not something you would say to an addict because it is in part still their fault. And considering Tygra has YET ANOTHER “drug addiction” episode in Season 3, it seems like the message didn’t quite get through! Then again, perhaps that’s the point. ; )

I think you are being a little bit unfair with this episode! many hidden meanings:o and very smart storytelling.

Tygra’s reaction was certainly unexpected as a Thundercat member but this ‘dark side’ is a part of his personality. Check out the Crystal Canyon and Turmagar the Tuska episodes and you will be equally amazed.
It wasn’t just a clunky way to write off a bad scenario:tygra::cool:

Oh yeah I like the episode, don’t get me wrong. I don’t mean that the idea or message was clunky, more that the script could have been structured a bit differently at times. But it’s not a bad episode by any means. It’s disturbing how an otherwise moral cat could be turned so easily, but then again that’s what happens with addiction. I think this message of betraying your friends for the sake of a quick “fix” is much more jarring than your typical PSA, that mainly focuses on how drugs hurt your own health and safety, rather than those around you.

And it is always fascinating when you get to see the ambiguity of characters, it shows the creators were really putting some thought into their work. :cool:

Yeah I still need to see those other two episodes, I keep putting it off because I want something to look forward to I guess, lol. But sheesh, these things only happened to Tygra didn’t they?! Lol, but anyway from what I’ve heard I do like what they were going for especially in the Crystal Canyon episode, that people who are shy and insecure are probably more suspectible to the lure of things that can take the pain away quick and easy. As a shy person myself I can definitely identify (though thankfully I’ve managed to stay away from temptation, hehe).

I gotta agree with Herald7. I never liked this episode for precisely that reason. That the Thundercats just shrug off Tygra’s action while under the influence bothered me as a kid. I didn’t like episodes where good guys turn bad. The two part Traitor episodes from GI Joe come to mind, where the viewer is made to believe (overnight, because its a two parter that concluded the next day!) that Dusty is working for Cobra. It went against the “good guys always do the right thing, no matter what” message that these shows seemed to burn into my brain. Maybe this episode would have been been easier to swallow if it had been a Warrior Maiden or another supporting character who had been addicted to the magic fruit. Of course, the only reason this episode and the GI Joe episodes stuck with me this long is because I saw a main character I cared about fall. And maybe thats the real message of this episode: that drugs trump the good guys always do the right thing rule.

Ok, I’ve completely disarmed my argument and forgot where I was going with this.

I see what you mean Saint, and it makes sense to me. You really don’t like this episode for the same reason it has stuck with you for so long. The ThunderCats are the good guys and they are not supposed to do anything bad. But in episodes like this, you see the good guy turn bad, even if it isn’t his fault.

Adding insult to injury, these episodes have a strong hint of real life (Hollywood style). Where can someone become an addict, make terrible choices, put their friends’ lives in risk, and still be considered a trustworthy person once the habit is broken? Answer: cartoons and Hollywood. But as kids, we would have been shielded from the Hollywood part. So it is quite striking that Tygra “gets off” with a cheering up and reminder that it wasn’t his fault.

So the deeper meaning is that while good guys never intend to do bad, they make mistakes too and can get into just as much trouble as anyone else. The important thing is to give them your support once they have found the error in their ways and help them get back on the right path. Don’t keep punishing someone once they have gotten back on the right path.

To be fair, they only had 20 minutes to tell the whole story. This episode could have used the two-part treatment. Part 1 - Tygra becomes addicted and heads back to steal the Sword. Part 2 - Tygra steals the sword, Mumm-Ra captures everyone else, and Tygra breaks free in time to save the day. The story could have gotten much more indepth and been even better. For example, Tygra returns and tells the others about this person he met in the slime tunnels that had tasty fruit. No one believes him and jokes that he must have been hallucinating from hitting his head or something, so he goes to prove himself right and that is when his addiction is complete. That would add a moral to part 1, pay attention and keep a protective eye on your friends.

Ok I tried watching this episode again and it’s definitely a lot better the second time around (a lot clearer too!).

It’s definitely much more intriguing than your typical bland “drugs are bad” message. For a second you really do believe Tygra is selling out his friends when he says to Mum-Ra “You will never have it all…not as long as Lion-O lives…” It actually gave me chills for second! I mean I know it’s just a cartoon, but it was very disturbing, like your childhood friend just betrayed you or something. Which is great, it means they weren’t afraid to be a little edgy for the sake of an important message.

And while I still think they shouldn’t have let him off the hook so easily in the end, I did like the line “It wasn’t you, it was somebody else.” I mean it’s basically like saying “That’s not who you are, you’re better than that, so don’t be that person again.” And that’s definitely the kind of support you would give to a friend in real life.

I’ve copy, pasted the paragraphs below from another thread i had posted. The point is that Tygra was an unstable character, his personality was and still is a big mystery. ‘Gardens of delight’ is the first episode we catch a glimpse of his ‘evil’ persona. For me this is a great episode and i believe that the negative side of the remaining team members should have been also developed in a few episodes. But, except for Wilykat, the rest were portrayed in almost a flawless way. This alone adds points to Tygra

Check it out.

Tygra is an enigmatic character going from one extreme to the other. While under the addiction of hallucinatory substances,at which he is so susceptible, his behavior turns one hundred and eighty degrees revealing the “dark” side of his personality,check out the episodes Crystal Canyon, Turmagar the Tuska and Garden of Delights for reference. He is probably the only Thundercat who would go thus far… showing total absence of self restraint and self control. I don’t know if the writers purposely made him behave like that as a moral lesson to younger kids or just wanted to confer a mature aspect with hidden meanings for further analysis.

However,I find Tygra’s inner conflict as well as the way his character alters when addicted to substances of any kind very interesting, It’s my wish to see hiis mysterious side portrayed to the New Series as well. He is the only Thundercat member unveiling such a vulnerable personality and to this length.I think this element singles him out from the rest.

Somehow his overall position in the team was overshadowed by Panthro and his jovial soul. Tygra was always presented as the level-headed type who kept a low profile and on a regular basis was reluctant to reveal emotions and bringing to view his internal world, that’s why only in one episode, the Trial of Mind Power, we are being introduced, for the first and last time, to his mind-power abilities. I never quite understood the reason as a kid but after watching Thundercats older, I realized that if Tygra were to be further explored on the storyboards then this series wouldn’t be aimed mainly for young children. His multifarious personality could be accurately described with the following two examples which outline his eminent persona and antithetically occult idiosyncrasy. Much to our surprise we hear Lion-o exclaiming in the episode All that Glitters, “If I do not return, you will be the next Lord of the Thundercats’. The majority would expect Panthro, as the second eldest after Jaga, to be the second in command but Lion-o entrusted Tygra’s integrity and sophisticated manner. His critical stance towards serious situations combined with his earnest behavior marked him competent enough to be Lion-o’s successor. Oppositely, Tygra does have a dark and mysterious side that makes him a very intriguing character, remember ‘Garden of Delights’ where Silky gives him a narcotic substance-like fruit putting him under a hallucinatory spell and paradoxically instead of denying it or resisting the negative consequences he succumbs to the overwhelming desire right off the bat, implying so an unstable personality prone to malevolent addictions. something similar happened in ‘Tarmagar the Tuska’ where he was instantly bewitched by the Mermaid’s evil powers and couldn’t distinguish reality from fiction . Both traits are shown off while testing Lion-o in the Trial of Mind Power.

In that episode Tygra’s actions and methods weren’t anticipated at all. From the outset, where we watch Lion-o meditating alone, we catch a glimpse of something extraordinary that will occur today. On his way to reach first the ancient ruins, past the dessert of sinking sands Lion-o is doubting many times whether he is coming across real things or mere illusions questioning every move that he made building up our tension. Tygra looked like as if he always was one step ahead overlooking silently the contestant’s progress, slowly paving the way for an ideal conclusion. However, hardly did Lion-o catch the full meaning of the following worlds prior to the trial’s start “Before the day is over, you will face your greatest fear…” connoting a certain wizardry and mysticism on Tygra’s eerie talk. Right after Lion-o walks into that strait the ensuing 3 minute turn into a mind bewildering sequence of events where everything is happening under a bewitching atmosphere as we are transferred to another unreal spiritual dimension. Lion-o is compelled to see at first hand in live action the exact moment it took place the exodus scene and foremost the destruction of Thundera, a point in time that caused ceaseless pain as well as remorse on his conscience.Tygra forced Lion-o to witness the whole saddening scene bit by bit right in front of his eyes totally unable to act once again. This recurring nightmare was stressed many times before in season 1 and is a trademark factor of Lion-o’s formative years. Who would expect that he would have to suffer this turmoil by a friend and not from his greatest enemy??

Here’s a quote from the episode Crystal Canyon after Tygra gets hold of the Keystone and he is repairing the ThunderStrike. Read it and you will see what i mean:

Tygra: (Laughing ironically) Everyone thinks Panthro is Mr. Fix it, HaHa, but with the keystone i am every bit as good as he is, maybe better.

Then Tygra throws violently the screwdrive on Lion-o and Lynx-o who are approaching slowly from behind

Lion-o: Hey, take it is Tygra! it’s only us.

Tygra: Oh,right I knew that.. next time just don’t sneak up on me

Lion-o: Tygra, Lynx-o and I are worried about you,the Keystone is doing strange things to you, it seems it to have you in its power,it’s altering your personality.

Tygra: If it is changing me, it is changing me for the better,perhaps you find that threatening.

Lion-o: No,it’s just that I…

Tygra snaps interrupting Lion-o: Ever since i was a kid i was shy but with the Keystone i feel so confident, for the first time in my life. I feel like i could do anything, Anything!

Lynx-o: Lion-o speaks the truth Tygra you are slowly becoming a slave to the keystone.

Tygra: A SLAVE!! Huh Is, Is Lion-o a slave to the Sword of Omens?? No Lion-o is master of the Sword and Now i am master of the Keystone

Lion-o: Tygra listen to me…

Tygra:No more talk, I have work to do…(then siting at his desk, designing maniacally) The Thundercats are jealous that’s all…I can do anything i want with or without it [the Keystone]…

Hard to believe these words came from a Thundercat! Still it is a mature concept with many serious implications. I love the mad side of Tygra, hope it comes back on his modern version…

The keystone was kind of like the ring from Lord of the Rings, right? Not to derail the thread since it is about Garden of Delights, but the keystone made Tygra disillusioned and disregarded what others were saying to him.

Oh it definitely reminded me of Lord of the Rings! Especially the question of whether Tygra was master of the Keystone, or its slave. And how he wants to use the Keystone’s power for good, but in end it only starts to destroy him. And definitely the ending involving the Lunatic (without giving anything away ; ) ).

Say, didn’t Rankin & Bass also do that Return of the King cartoon? :wink: The scenes were Tygra flips out on Snarf or Lion-O and then apologizes reminded me very much of that cartoon and how they’d presented similar tense moments with Frodo and Sam. (Something I wish the live action version had done a little better, even though I liked it as well).

I think society tends to view shy people as nice, quiet smart people who would never be tempted to do wrong and give into their “dark side” (or even have one). But in reality, often the opposite is true, because shy people yearn so much to fit in and feel good about themselves. I applaud the writers for having that insight. It shows they really were putting in some effort to get through an important message to kids. : )

And btw I noticed how they made Tygra look all thin and gaunt half way through the episode, the way an addict might, to demonstrate how the Keystone was sapping his energy. Very good detail.

Yeah, these sort of details elevate Thundercats to another tire of Cartoon realism and quality..

The second character displaying a ‘bad side’ is WilyKAT. His disapointment and jealousness turned into wrongdoing, towards the rest of the team for leaving him and his twin sister out of the main missions and making them feel useless is often expressed. Episodes like Runaways and The Heritage attest to this. However, WilyKat’s rebelious nature comes out much softer than Tygra’s..

Thought I would add a pasting of the official morals from the ep:

In this episode, Tygra yields to the temptation of enjoying immediate gratification, represented by the mind altering fruit given him by Mumm-Ra in disguise. The offering proves addictive and its effects lead Tygra to a distortion of his responsibility as a ThunderCat and to a different moral struggle between his allegiance to the Eye of Thundera and a misplaced allegiance to Mumm-Ra’s powers of suggestion.

At times, like Tygra, we are faced with choices between our own illusory personal pleasures and our real interpersonal and social responsibilities. The conflict over right and wrong moral choice demands we use our intact power of reasoning and be on guard against distractions from forces unduly influencing us. Person’s intent on doing evil or mind-altering substances can alter our perceptions and judgments and weaken our ability to make right choices. A purity of spirit and a sound moral judgment, as represented by Willa, are strong defenses against evil forces and temptations and their consequences.

I think I got what was intended out of the episode. Thundercats didn’t seem to care as much about continuity and consistancy as it did about doing episodes that conveyed a certain lesson. So yeah if Tygra seems out of character to some, and other things were inconsistent as well (Lion-O unable to intervene by using tools he had in the past) well it was for this greater purpose I suppose. Sure it could have been told in such a way where canon was kept in tact but we have what we have lol

I agree about the confusing nature of the story in some parts too. Memory is foggy but I thought somewhere on some board, some years ago, it was brought up that the version of Garden of Delights most fans had access to (and this was pre-dvd, so I’d have to watch my dvds vs old encodes again to see if it’s different) at the time had scenes out of sequence and/or a scene was deleted. It aired that way I guess, for some reason, so exactly when Tygra came to his senses seemed confusing.

But you’ll also notice that in one closeup shot, we get a hint that Tygra is acting as he’s only mock-eating the fruit, and Willa looks right at him so if you’re paying attention you realize she’s in on the ruse too.

–Purrsia

Yeah you’re right and that definitely became more obvious on a second viewing. I think when Mum-Ra look at the Cats Lair and says, “An engineering feight and it’s all mine!” is when it seems like Tygra realizes what’s going on and gets an idea to trick Mum-Ra (makes sense since that’s right where Mum-Ra’s talking about the “house that Tygra built” lol). I’m extremely ashamed to admit that the first time I watched it I thought the mock-eating was just shotty animation, lol. I will never underestimate this cartoon again! :thumbsup:

I have to admit that I too thought the “mock-eating” was just a goofy animation error…

Thanks, now I feel a little better! :smiley: I guess that kind of thing is unavoidable with this old ‘80s cartoons. You know usually the Thundercats’ habit of thinking outloud was a little weird, but in this episode it probably would have helped, hehe. But again, despite that, I did enjoy this episode. :slight_smile:

The second character displaying a ‘bad side’ is WilyKAT. His disapointment and jealousness turned into wrongdoing, towards the rest of the team for leaving him and his twin sister out of the main missions and making them feel useless is often expressed. Episodes like Runaways and The Heritage attest to this.

Oh yes The Heritage episode, a little similar to the Keystone episode, but as you say a bit more innocent, more about childish greed than manly power. But yeah again, a mysterious object corrupting innocence, etc. I think Rankin & Bass had Lord of the Rings envy somewhat, hehe. Which is fine, I actually loved their version of Return of the King! Lol

I originally thought the “mock eating” was due to Tygra being impaired by the effects of silky fruit. Willa’s gaze I thought was her taking pity and understanding he was impaired.

I have the script to this episode too. I’ll have to dig it out and take a look at it, to see what it says about the fruit issue. I admit, that at one time I too thought it was just crap animation lol! It was probably the second run where I got the idea.

Edit:
The script confirms it. Tygra was faking and Willa knew it in that scene. I’ll try to scan in the page later, but the script notes that Tygra is dazed but now he is faking it when he asks for more fruit in this scene. Some other notes include:

[I]TYGRA pretends to eat it – but palms it. This must be obvious to the camera.

WILLA

Her head turns. She sees he has not eaten the fruit. [/I]

Thanks, Purrsia, that does make it a lot clearer!

A couple of other random observations:

I always thought it was interesting to compare these two “addiction” episodes. Garden of Delights in some ways is more light hearted, basically making fun of how dumb people act when they’re high, lol. Whereas the Keystone episode focuses a lot more on the sinister aspects of addiction.

Also in Garden of Delights, I’m sorry but Mum-Ra really didn’t think his plan through. He knows the sword can’t be used for evil. But he steals it anyway on the off chance that “there must be a way.” ::smacks forehead:: Clearly they didn’t work out so well! ;D