CSG inquired about advertising!!!

Hello guys I just received the weirdest email from CSG asking about having them advertised on our website. Now that they are inquiring we NEED to come up with some sort of report for them as well as pricing for advertising. Here is the email

Manny,

Thanks so much for such kind words about us. We hope that everyone is as much of a pleaure to work with as you are. It’s great to work with such nice people like you. We are glad that you are happy with your items, and we look foward to working with you again.
We would like to find out some information about doing some advertising on the Thundercats Lair website if at all possible. Could you tell us the different options and prices or tell us who to contact about this? It will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Collector Source Grading

I need everyones input as far as pricing, Id like to get this going ASAP

Great news Manny! May be we can get some insight from Mark on this…? What type of information besides number of hits and visitors would they be interested in?

Chris here…

Holy smokes, MannyC, that’s awesome news!! :slight_smile: I agree, Mark might be the man in the know as I think he deals with this sort of stuff in his professional life - here’s hoping we can get a good price from them! :smiley:

I’m still shocked that we get 8,000 unique visitors per month - I had no idea we were that popular! :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

As i posted on the site updates thread…Details havent been ironed out yet because I have to figure out a pricing plan and the size. Which brings me to the next question, being that this is sort of unexpected and that we may have to act on this rather quickly we may need to change the layout of the front page however I am more inclined to move Larrys picture of the petition and the DVD adverts to accomodate CSG’s advertisement. They are actually interested in 2 different advertisements because they have a second website coming up very soon.

Guys this could be really good for the website but a pricing plan needs to be put into place quickly for 1 advertisement and a 2 advertisement package. Also monthly prices as well as quarterly and yearly that way they have more options.

I have done a little bit of research not much but I came up with $35/month for 1 ad and $50/ month for 2 ads. Perhaps $100/ quarter for 1 ad and $140 for 2 ads and if they would like to do yearly we can do $385/ year for 1 ad and $540 for 2 ads…how does that sound

Mark were are you, we need your advise???

Hey guys,

This is awesome news. I’ll speak to some people who are in the know with advertising prices on Monday. I’ll get back with more information.

Can anyone here contact someone at he-man.org to ask them how they’ve approached advertising in the past?

Could someone volunteer to look into how google ads work and what we could earn from them? MannyF?

Thanks Mark…looking forward to it. As far as he-man.org I dont think they have done much advertising for other places. I know they have associate links but thats about it and with Google ads Im not sure if thats something worth doing because the front page could look rather annoying. However Im interested to know what kind of figures you come up with

BIG NEWS!!!

Ok guys we need to get the ball rolling on this ASAP. I will definitely need the help of Kyle or anyone that can do banners the size of Larry’s pictures on the front page. CSG has agreed to do 2 advertisments on a quarterly basis for $140.

We can do the CSG banner according to the info on their front page but they will be launching a second site very soon and I am expecting a preview of the website so we can work on a banner for that as well. I know this is sort of short notice but the sooner we get it done the sooner we can start receiving funds. For anyone that needs the CSG inofrmation here is their website. www.collectorsourcegrading.com

Google Ads are based on the number of clicks each ad gets from each respective page. I would have to echo the sentiments of MannyC in saying I don’t think Google Ads would benefit us in that the ads that would appear on our site would probably not have any relation to ThunderCats.

Great news Manny! As I am speaking with you right now, I’ll just leave this post at that. :wink:

Chris here…

Whoo-hoo, this is excellent news - well done, MannyC! :slight_smile: By my maths, $140 per quarter works out at…$560 per year? If so, that’s amazing stuff - in theory, by the time the ThunderCats CGI movie hits, we could be looking at having banked up $700 or perhaps even $840 just from that advertising alone!! :slight_smile:

LOL, the wonders of Skype and MSN! :smiley:

Take care… :slight_smile:

All this has taken me by surprise. This will of course require to do some changes to the main page as well as the toy section. The AFA section will have to be renamed, I dont want to give AFA exclusivity on our website even less free advertising. Also we can work with CSG to give special pricing to our members…maybe 10%? It will increase their sales and encourage members. Eventually we can get gift certificates as giveaways, perhaps at a special pricing. The options are endless.

As far as revenue it is 2008 so in essence if they stay with us until the movie gets released that could mean revenues of over $1,500. Im gonna keep you guys updated on any further progress but the main details are in place. It looks to be a very busy few months. I know content wise I will be a bit slow but Ill do all i can on the financial portion so we can be ready for any increase in expenses.

For the banners it would be great if there could be 3 choices of banners/ advertising. I just got word from CSG that their second website is still in the process of being built but they did mention that “it should be ready by the end of the week and I will have you some info on that either Wednesday or Thursday”. If someone can get the first banners for CSG’s website ready then that would give them an idea of their choices.

This all sounds very awesome…

It sounds like we’ve agreed to take on this advertiser already, but I’ll still investigate ad rates with my colleagues. They want to know more about our unique visitors and click through rates (not sure what that means). Manny could you give me the page that shows our visitor information?

Could I just encourage that we move carefully through this arrangement? If CSG is looking for us to make changes to the toy section and remove AFA then I’d expect them to compensate for that additional advertising?

Just a thought, I think we should feel this out slowly. This is the first time somebody has seen the value in the site that we’ve known was there for ages. Let’s not paint ourselves into a corner with them… because there may be others who’d like to do the same with us, possibly for more money…

Here is our public stats pageshttp://www.thundercatslair.org/stats/webalizer/index.html , you can forward those to your colleagues and it will give them a better view as to how much is a fair amount to charge. Even if we have taken CSG as an advertiser, i think it would still benefit us from you finding out more info for future refernece

Could I just encourage that we move carefully through this arrangement? If CSG is looking for us to make changes to the toy section and remove AFA then I’d expect them to compensate for that additional advertising?
Actually CSG didnt make any suggestions as to changes to our AFA section. I just think that since there is a new company that AFAshouldnt get exclusivity on that section. We have been nice enough to give AFA free advertisement via our AFA Museum section and now is the time to add more grading companies to that area. Besides AFA has been rather un-customer like when I inquired about some info.

Just a thought, I think we should feel this out slowly. This is the first time somebody has seen the value in the site that we’ve known was there for ages. Let’s not paint ourselves into a corner with them… because there may be others who’d like to do the same with us, possibly for more money…
I agree with you and future advertisign should be open for discussion. I am not giving exclusivity to them as far as advertising but being that they have been such a great company thus far, I think it would be good to give them extra advertising via our toys section, specifically the area dedicated to graded items. This could be a good partenership because it could enable us to perhaps get better pricing for our membbers as well as working out some deals with CSG about giveaways and such

Yeah I agree about moving cautiously in regards to advertising. I actually suggested adding CSG advertising in the Toy section simply for the fact that visitors do not always enter the site through the main page. Sometimes people link to the toy section because of the amount of content there is and so I assumed that having some advertising on a couple high-profile pages (not on all pages) would help boost exposure.

Another thing I wanted to point out is…as much as I am excited about the financial aspect, let’s not focus on making money off the site because that’s not our goal. In all honesty, I’m very much proud of where we are at the moment in terms of unique visitors, but at the same time, I think we still have a lot to prove based on getting our userbase to be more active within our community. I know we need to think about the future, but MannyC’s paid the hosting for two years and I don’t think we’re going to need to worry about exceeding bandwidth until closer to when the film actually gets released. :slight_smile:

So just to reiterate, I’m not trying to be a downer on this awesome news. However, let’s be cautiously optimistic with the advertising, focus on using the money we do have on giveaways and improving the site, while sticking to our goal of being about content and not traffic or money.

If we have the content, the traffic will come. Remember, we’re a non-profit website which means we do not expect to make money for the sake of profit. :slight_smile:

IMO, let’s stick with the proposal Manny was given and prove that TCL is capable of the advertising that CSG thinks it is. Then we can move from there.

Hey guys,

Those are some really wise words I think from MannyF. This is a good time for us to look at why we contribute to the site. Its for personal enjoyment and the satisfaction of building a community who enjoy the same thing.

I am glad that we’re able to bring some money in as a side benefit… mostly because it will help remove a financial burden from those who have picked up costs associated with the site.

I suspect that there is more value in our lovely site than what we may think.

I mentioned I was going to speak to colleagues who work in this advertising space and here is what I’ve learned:

Most of the value for ads come from two aspects:

  1. How much traffic you get
  2. How targeted the advertising will be (how specific is the audience)

On the traffic front advertisers are interested in # of page views, # of unique visitors, # of hits. Sites that get visitors to stay for a long time and bring in new visitors regularly can charge more for space. Our site has fairly low traffic. In comparison, yojoe.com claims to have 100,000 page views daily vs our 1,700. They run a 480 x 60 banner ad, and I’ve submitted a request to get their advertising rates to see what they charge.

On the ‘targeted’ front you can’t get much more specific than a ThunderCats fan web site for a company interested in popular toy characters like CSG. The fact that we can place ads on our toy section and forums really raises the value of overall advertising also.

My colleagues estimation of our value based on traffic and specificity is about $1,000 a year for a permanent banner on the main page. It would be even more if we included CSG in our actual content pages and if we included the banner in more than one place on the site.

I’d say though that given that nobody else has offered more than CSG and this is more than we’d currently earn from the amazon ads or potentially the google ads (though i don’t know) … we should accept this offer with the understanding that it isn’t exclusive and either side can cancel the contract at the end of each quarter.

We should definitely find a way to track how many click-throughs we get from the banner, because this is the single most important statistic to CSG and other potential advertisers at the end of the day. If this number is high then CSG will want to repeat their ad placement with us.

My thoughts on what to do with advertising money

I think that whatever MannyC and MannyF are out of pocket for on the 2 years of hosting they paid up on should be repaid from this revenue.

The balance of money left over should be put aside for future costs related to improving the site or looking after higher bandwidth costs if/when the traffic jumps around movie time.

If at some point we have excess funds, we could consider doing some of the following things:

  • more giveaways / prizes for competitions to site members
  • buying team t-shirts
  • promoting the site on the web and in print
  • purchasing exclusive content for the site
  • site database set up or maintenance

Like MannyF said, let’s not get overly excited about the fact that money is on offer to the site. Let’s tread slowly and see how this goes with CSG and lets just learn as we go along. Thanks to MannyC for organizing all of this, it is a real pat on the back for all of our combined efforts… the site is getting noticed and that’s great. Main thing is that we’re having fun building this thing together.

Cheers all round team!
Mark

Chris here…

Hey Mark, just a quick post from me as I’ve just got in from a stressful and hectic evening and I’m absolutely shattered, but just wanted to give two thumbs-up for an outstanding post, the entire content of which I could not agree with more! :slight_smile:

I agree with this 100%, couldn’t agree more! :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

I think Mark knows what he’s talking about so I’ll leave it to him.

and well done Mannyc, if this goes through! It be good for you guys to have the site secure for when the movie hits :slight_smile:

CSG’s banners have been done. Much thanks to Kyle. They have been submitted to CSG for approval. They will go with 1 ad for now until their 2nd website is complete

Manny we have received payment for the 1st advertisement which we will start already. CSG just made a payment so we have to implement the advertising no later than tomorrow.

They paid $100 and the next $40 they will probably pay once the other website takes off with their magazine. I would like the placement to be below the Lion-O introduction. The image you can use which is a .gif file is located here:

http://www.thundercatslair.org/collectorsourcegrading/design.gif

cool.. so they were ok with the advertisement image!.. Great news about the funds :slight_smile:

They were cool aboul it, if we can get maybe 2 different ads for their 2nd adv that would be cool…here it is http://collectorsourcemagazine.com/