"Between Brothers" - Official Talkback Thread! (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)

Ok, now that I finally got to see the episode, my thoughts on it AND the first season as a whole.

I felt like the writers did an AMAZING job of cramming so much story and action into thirteen episodes. You can feel that each episode is just a tad too short, leaving you wanting a lot more, and it’s incredible they squeeze as much into the shows as they do. Personally, in a perfect world, I’d much prefer one hour episodes to fully flesh out and incorporate everything possible. That being said, it’s still really great stuff.

I’m very happy that Tygra is still the dominant brother at this stage of the show, 13 episodes in was too short a time for Lion-o to figure it all out and “put it together” and best Tygra. The show, much like the OS, focuses heavily on Lion-o’s development as a leader, and more importantly, as an adult. So it makes sense that Lion-o is still “weaker” at the moment, but trust me, a time will come when he bests Tygra.

I’m also very pleased that Tygra and Cheetara was the final pick, as I predicted. It gives Tygra his own “thing” to have that Lion-o doesn’t, and is a wonderful message to kids that just because you are the “hero” doesn’t mean EVERYTHING goes your way. It will be very fascinating to see how Lion-o takes it from here and handles that fact. I also think getting Cheetara will chill Tygra the @#%& out and he will come to support his brother as leader even more.

I’m sad Grune is gone, but don’t be fooled guys, he WILL be back. He’s too awesome not to. Now to the most “controversial” part of the episode, Panthro’s arms, or lack thereof now. I personally am going to say WELL DONE again by the writers here. This isn’t the OS, if that’s what people are looking for, I suggest they watch that one( I mean no offense by that at all, I freakin’ love both OS and new). It serves a couple of functions, first, it makes Panthro even more of a grizzled veteran and adds to his uniqueness as a character. Second, who else can’t wait to see what he can do with his new “Jax” arms, I can’t wait to see how he handles nunchucks with those upgrades. And it also served to show Panthro really did learn a valuable lesson from Grune, and despite being betrayed by him, Panthro grew and became a tougher, better warrior having known him and learned from him. It’s not a two dimensional relationship, Panthro really valued Grune as a friend and his betrayal hurt even more because of it because they were so close, in a way Panthro lost his best friend. Obviously he lost him as a friend way before that, but this brings some much needed closure to the big cat. *Tips hat to writers/producers

Love it or not, this episode and season really pushed the boundaries of what we knew to be Thundercats and took real risks and backed it up with 100% commitment to those risks, and that’s all I can ask for in a show. Personally, I can’t say how pleased I am that we have such talented people behind the show from the bottom on up, and they have set things up nicely for a very juicy second half. I think Tygra and Panthro both closed the book on a lot of their demons, each character grew in their own way, from Lion-o down to kit/kat and snarf. The most interesting thing for me is to see where Lion-o goes from here. Will he let the Cheetara/Tygra mess with him or will he assert leadership and push forward with the bigger goals in mind? Will he still be able to be close to Tygra now or be pushed even further away from his bigger brother?

My one complaint, and I understand it’s due to cramming so much into so little time, is how easily Mummra got treated like yesterday’s garbage. So far all he’s done is show up, talk a lot of smack, and get his @#$ handed to him each time. I hope in the next half he becomes more of a threat and steps up his game and does some real damage and poses a really big threat, he is the biggest baddie on the show, he needs to. Even still, I think Mummra kicks @#% in this show far more than the OS one. Ok, I talked way too much, that’s it for me guys.

I just realized something.

Panthro can’t give Berbil hugs anymore!!! OH NO!!!

Seriously though, I think what they did with Panthro’s arms might be the most shocking thing they’ve done so far and it worked in a big way. Its the first true sacrifice that any of the T-Cats have made to date. Also, it gave some level of closure in the Grune/Panthro conflict. And the event was a nice callback to the Spidera Flashback and the point of Grune ripping out his Sabretooth. Also, it does give across the point that, right or wrong, there are consequences to fighting & war.

I’m all very interested to see what happens with Grune from here on out. He’s not gone. You know what they say. If there’s no body, then he’s not dead. He’ll be back, probably in Ghost Form.

Wonder how he’s gonna be back in Ghost from. Seems like Jaga would should be pro at that but we have not seen him yet. Not at least “outside” in the real world.

Well, the episode was great, though a tad fast paced. I love how they handled Lion-O and Tygra’s thing, and the (apparent?) conclusion to the love triangle.

Also loved Panthro loosing hims arms. Adds a more sense of realism. The entire episode was greatly written. Look forward to how he gets his enhancements.

If I have a problem it was Mumm-Ra’s involvent..it felt lacking.

Yes, I agree Mummra did get defeated to easilly, and they really need to show Mummra using actuall magic like summoning monsters, bestowing curses, enchantments, altering matter, more shapeshifting, etc.

Cheetara and Tigra thing did really bug me and as far Lion-o is concerned Cheetara did betray him.

Panthro loosing his arms was messed up but I will get over it, I just don’t like it is too much like Jaxx, I think he should have lost just one arm.

Well now that Grune is gone(well for now) think we will finally see more mutants.

No long ramblings on betrayal, romance or arms from this cat..I just loved the episode!!! Everything was done and thought out well! SpiDera, Mumm-Ra’s transformation; AWESOME!

In the next episodes I think Lion-O will be more distant, act more mature and focus more on his role as Lord and Grune will reappear as The Ghost Warrior.. I wonder when Jackalman will show up…

Bye, we wont miss you!

Bad move killing Grune in this manner. He just became Infinite and more of a nuisance. Panthro without arms? Not for long. Since the stumps are glowing astral blue, I suspect they will reform. See Noein. Also see the great Thundercat fan fic Signal in the Sky, the first time Panthro lost an arm in fanish lore.

Betrayal by Tygra? Yes, as kittens when he pitched Lion-o into the hole, but no court in the world would convict him. I’d have thrown the little brat into the hole too :wink:

Betrayal when Tygra gets the girl? Not unless Tygra/Lion-o, neh. Otherwise, it was always Cheetara’s choice. Besides, never had Cheetara pegged for a cougar, so Lion-o never an option. This development would have been more interesting if we knew whether there had been prior clan restrictions to them getting together, etc. But that would have involved some world building between the fighting.

A three fight episode; again too little in the character development department, no matter the past glimpses. Even with the Kiss? Yes, because there has not been enough backstory to make me feel for these characters as people. That takes more than 3 minutes of development per episode. So please, again, can we have an episode totally devoid of fights?

MGP

If you listen to the wording of the Elephant Elder, he said that Lion-O would “Feel Betrayed” by Tygra, and in that case, he’s absolutely right. We can sit here and debate whether or not he actually was, but the truth is, judging by his reaction, Lion-O does feel betrayed, so the vision was correct.

I fully agree!

So/so ep for a finale. Im not sure I even want to watch the next part, I really was hoping for a Lion-o/Cheetara pairing. I am annoyed that Tygra got her. He was one of my favourites in the OS. In this one he is my least favourite. I want to know why Lion-o gets his ass beaten every time they fight but he is easily able to beat Mummra. Tygra can’t beat Mummra yet easily beats Lion-o.?!

Lion-O uses the Sword of Omens to beat Mumm-Ra, but he can’t use its power against Tygra because Tygra isn’t evil. Tygra is a better fighter than Lion-O, so without the power of the sword, Tygra wins. It’s pretty simple.

I think he’s dead. The Astral Plane is no more so he either disintegrated or he’s trapped in a limbo of sorts. The series has so many great villains that they could afford to lose Grune. Hopefully we’ll see him as a ghost later on in the series and Jaga can fight him like in the OS.

I know that. What I was saying is that the Astral Plane could have done that itself as a way of protecting the Spirit Stone. I would have preferred that approach so we didn’t have Mumm-Ra easily defeated again. They can only have Mumm-Ra lose 2-3 more times before he starts to become a joke.

could not agree more

could not agree more. The fact that this feeling springs from innocent actions makes it more the pity. Was well written episode

on another note- about Grune- damn that b@stard has a sinister smile.

No. Grune was the best character, in my opinion, and I’m not even joking when I say this. I really hate that they gave us his scene with Slythe where he made it clear that he’d betray Mumm-Ra as well if given the chance, and then, squish, no more Grune. I’d have loved to see him try to take on Mumm-Ra and become the biggest villain on Third Earth (not that he’d manage to beat Mumm-Ra, but I’d still love to see him try).

I’d be okay with him coming back in some sort of ghost or spirit form, but not just to fight with Jaga. That made sense in the OS, since Grune and Jaga were old friends there the way Grune and Panthro were in this version. Now it would just feel like they’re not using this version of Grune in a way that really fits his character and his earlier role in the series.

Finally some good fighting going on.

I reckon Grune will be back
Maybe Slithe is going to grow some more balls towards Mumm-ra.

You know? I think I know where you’re coming from with this. I’m not saying it was a ba episode, because personally I think it was great. But yes, I was looking for the Astral Plane to show more of the brothers; it’s like there was no resolution of their conflicts, or neither of them showed any sympathy/empahy to the other’s position. That was left IMO.

About Lion-o, if anything, “Between Borthers” just got me a little more annoyed with him. I was expecting that, just like Tygra, he also exposed his dark side, which he didn’t but neglected it playing the victim role to his mean big brother. TYgra wore his emotions on his sleeve, Lion-o buried them even more… I think CoT was looking for more of that (I could be wrong though), as I was.

He could have been more sympathetic to his brotehr (“I see…”, “Guess you’re right in part…”, “I understan how you feel…”). or could have acknolwledged his own jealousy, but he didn’t.

I just think people try to find 2 many faults with this series, and that is the problem with most people here. Nothing MAJOR has been wrong about this series, if something really bad would happen i woula agree but nothing like that HAVE HAPPEND.

I don’t blame Lion-O for anything. Nothing he did was wrong, nothing either Tygra or him did was wrong (if you catch my drift). Lion-O was ****ed, by that you can’t say “HE SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT” stuff like that is just stupid cause that’s just not Lion-O at the moment. Gotta look it from this side before you judge anything.

I was exposing my thoughts, no need to be rude if you don’t agree with them.

Not at all. He knew Tygra “was after” Cheetara as well. Different would have been if Tygra have said he didn’t love Cheetara and encouraged him and told him “Go boy, she’s all that into you” and they stabbed him in the back by kissing her.

Lion-o himself saw it as a competition, and there’s always a winner in a competition. How could he feel betrayed then? If Lion-o goes all “You betrayed me, youknow I liked her” on Tygra now, Ill get really annoyed. What should Tygra have done? Take a step aside so Lion-o coul have what he wants once more?

On other things, I didn’yt like Panthro losing his arms and getting some robotic ones… it doesn’t fit the show IMO.

And I’ll definitely miss Grune… he was a bette villain than Mumm-Ra himself. My thoughts are he will come back as a ghost as an homage to the OS. Maybe Jaga will fight him then.

When the lizard army was advancing towards the mountain where the TCs were, did anyone else also think of LotR The Two Towres?

My favorite lines in the episode?

  • Lion-o (as always, relying in the sword): “This is the truth SoO, it can’t be beaten.”
  • Tygra: “But you can!”

I was not being rude, if you thought of it that way then i’m sorry :stuck_out_tongue:
My point is, see it form his side of view before you judge him. Everyone here act like they know everything and are the best. If you friends do stuff, do you compare them the same, blame them the same etc etc?