An update to the cancellation rumors from Dan...

Guys please calm down and you’ve all been credited members of the forum, please behave yourselves and try to keep the heat down.

I really don’t want to raise the banning issue again because of inappropriate language and offensive posts.

The bottom line is the NS has ended, we can’t pass judgement on thundercats 2011 since it’s a half shown cartoon, in the same way that i can’t evaluate a movie if i leave from the theatre in the first hour. This is why i chose to abstain from the recent discussions. And remember that the Thundercast 2011 unlike the 80s cartoon is based on a solid story arc, with a continuing plot.This difference is very important and another reason why to some fans the Ns seems inferior. Had it been an individual episodes based cartoon as well then then the critisism would be more accurate.

To me Season 1 of the NS had set the stage for an amazing Saeaon 2.Lion-o has earned the trust of the people of Third Earth,finally he learned how to be strong with the sword, the rest of the team respected him as their lord and leader, the need to overthrow Mamm-ra is even more important after getting the stone. The main events of the first 26 eps paved the way for an amazing Season2, which would be more similar to the whole idea and style of the OS. The whole team united and at their peak against their nemesis…but unfortunatelly WB and CN has decided otherwise.

I am still trying to get over the shock i really hope whether that is 10 or 20 years to pick up where they left off…

I would like to see the cost of the show by ep next to the veiws number and time slote then look at the other shows to comper if any anyone in the group shoots my the numbers or a link I need to the numbers I would be willing to do a deep study on it. message me the fact and I’ll start work on it.

@Lordore it really isn’t gone yet, but I’m not hoping for the best. I’m to the point where a cancellation wouldn’t bother me (considering it actually works in favor for the fan comic).

The worst part is the waiting. Most of the time but here, we have heard nothing but bad stuff and some godforsaken soul saying “we are not sure yet” just to drag it out.

welcom to the modern cartoons all hook and no bait.

Talk about intense! Reading through that argument in a digest email today was extremely draining.

Lets hope on thundercon next week something will be mentioned and we will get some news…

Sorry Hammy, I am not singling you out amongst the NS supporters but I have to say stating the NS had “better action” then the OS is reaching. The NS was hugely lacking in action, and when there was action the fighting sequences were mostly dull and dreary. The action sequences in the OS were moments where the art of that time shined and I feel with the art they had for the NS, the action sequences could have been much, MUCH, better.

Back on topic as to why it failed: Yes, the poor toy sales were a contributing factor but the issue is the series its self didn’t capture the hearts and minds of young children and make them want the toys. Remember when we were children? We didn’t care that the LJN toys had zero articulation, we just wanted the toys because we loved the characters. The toys brought us one step closer to “being” the characters we loved (another issue I will discuss later). So whether we think Bandai put out a good toy line based on an adults assessment of the product is a mute point with regards to the shows success, because we are judging the toys in a way that children do not.

I have read of how the producers of the NS wanted the series to have a movie like feel to it, how others state the NS focused on back stories, character development (which I believe the NS failed at) etc… All good and well except these are things we look for in entertainment as adults, children do not care as much. They don’t need every single thing explained. My point is I feel they made the NS to complex for young viewers to get into. Even as an adult it felt like a series that just dragged on and on with very little reward for “sticking with it.”

I think there is a reason why two of the most admired episodes in the NS are The Petalers and The Duelist & The Drifter. They were two stand alone episodes which were very engaging. Great stories, cool characters, and lessons to be learned. These two episodes were for me the two which most resembled OS episodes where for the most part each episode was an adventure of it’s own. I feel the NS would have done much better following that archetype as opposed to the “movie like” feeling they were shooting for.

Moving on to what I was saying about the toys bringing you closer to “being a character;” why would children watching the NS “want to be” Lion-O when he was always out shined by Tygra the golden boy? This plays a lot into the toy sales because if children don’t like Lion-O or “want to be him” then that is going to be a huge problem when you have so many variations of him in toy format hanging on pegs. OS Lion-O was, much like Luke SkyWalker, a character / hero that people could get behind, especially young children. I never really felt NS Lion-O was that type of hero and I don’t believe children saw him that way either from everything I have read.

And I completely agree with who ever said NS Cheetara was pretty much just a card board cut out. She was there for nothing more then to reaffirm that Tygra was the bad ass of this show and not Lion-O. That is sad because OS Cheetara was an epic female character that I know for a fact is the reason why we have many female OS Thundercats fans. Bottom line is young girls are going to be much more into heroine like characters (Sailor Moon) then female characters that are just arm candy.

There are a lot of aspects as to why the NS failed but I firmly believe we just had the wrong people in charge of the show. It’s kind of like cooking. You can have one chef take a certain number of ingredients and make the best damn apple pie you’ve ever had, but you can then have another chef who takes those same exact ingredients and simply changes the way he handles them to end up with an apple pie that doesn’t taste good at all, yet he used the very same ingredients. It’s the same thing for Thundercats. The people behind the OS new exactly how to handle those ingredients and made a very successful show. The NS team took those very same ingredients, handled them differently, and made a pie that not many people wanted…

No One Wants to Be a Loser but…

If they sympathize with the protagonist, They hate anyone who hurts him for no reason. (Tygra, Cheetara, Pumyra, Claudus).

Children are more simple to judge something. They do not understand the misconceptions in an animated series and that could affect the sale of toys.:confused:

In terms of the animation, maybe, maybe not. I don’t know. But in terms of scripting/choreography, the new one is much less formulaic.

Wait, Alex…did you read the CN forums on what the kids talked about with the series?

I think I’m somewhat on the same page as you. The creators just couldn’t relate to kids (to a certain extent,) but I disagree with you about that part that kids don’t care about backstories. I think the kids that I’ve volunteered and taught with in my group would’ve understood the idea. But those were 5th graders.

Also, I love you for saying that about Cheetara. :hug: I feel that she made me feel alienated as a female fan and I just didn’t like Pumyra, either. She didn’t have the girl power “umph” I like in my female characters. I consider Pumyra this bipolar, PMSing, brutish chick that you don’t want to hang around with.

On a side note, you know if that prophecy about “He would be born of fire” thing was more explained later somehow I think it would’ve made more sense. My reason for saying that is if Lion-o was being outdone by Tygra and going through all this pain with love and heartache and betrayal because he was “to be born of fire,” then that would be very good. Fire burns and consumes impurities in order for metals, like gold for example, to be shapened and formed.

Also, let’s face it. As kids, the 80’s was the golden age for just about everything and the economy was in very good shape. It was prosperous. Unfortunately, in this decade for this generation is not good. Just about every company, from toy companies to network stations, have to cut stuff back.

I liked the new series but they should’ve added more elements from the old series because we rarely see them in the NS. Example, in the OS, the ThunderCats followed the Code of Thundera, even reciting the foundations: Truth, Justice, Honor, and Loyalty.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=662&tstart=0

Wow…okay then. I don’t understand. Are kids that shallow to not understand about Tygra and Cheetara? Maybe I don’t understand kids as good as I thought…

That still was thrown in later in the OS. Not to mention it just added an excuse to trust everyone so Mumm-Ra could just disguise himself and eureka! They have another episode written!

wow.. i’m not really that surprised that liono isn’t most kids favorite in the NS thundercats, without the SoO, he’s useless…i’m sorry to say that’s how i feel. he isn’t even my favorite to be honest but i would kind of expect kids to lean towards the main hero of most cartoon series. i understand the frustration of some people here regarding this reboot but it still had its good parts about it.

What, the Code of Thundera? The ThunderCats are suppose to be noble warriors and all warriors are suppose to have a code of honor. Please, don’t tell me your one of those people who view the belief of honor as redundant.

Also, that’s not all. In the NS, there was no mentioning of the Code of Thundera. Snarf; where did he come from? Is Snarf the last of his kind? And will we ever learn of his origins? We haven’t seen any other cool tricks the Swod of Omens can do, like when it’s out of Lion-O’s hand and in a far distance, Lion-O would summon it back to his hand, saying, “Sword of Omens, come to my hand! I Lion-O, Lord of the ThunderCats, command it!” We’ve haven’t that yet.

I think that the NS should use more OS elements and take really good care of them.

if i remember correctly, HeMan and the Masters of the universe 200? reboot was cancelled after the second season. can someone tell me why it was cancelled again?. from what i remember of the reboot, it stayed true to the original but was still canceled.

@HeMan http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?178158-Why-did-2002-He-man-fail

According to what they have said, it is the same thing with the Thundercats series. A good point someone pointed out is that big whig stations like Disney are now like Hungry, Hungry Hippos gobbling up a lot of franchises these days to where other network stations can’t make no money on animation from what I understand.

thanks for the info. wow… so the toy lines are are truly the cause of these shows demise. i personally think we are in the age where action figures aren’t the hot stuff they used to be. there is video games and all sorts of other things kids would rather be into.