ThunderCats Episode 20 "Curse of Ratilla" OFFICIAL TALKBACK THREAD!

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"The way I took the cuffs, and the way I think it was intended, was just that the rats are so used to the other slaves. When he found the cuffs unlocked, they didn’t back off, they didn’t fight back, they just calmly let him lock them back up. Just like a slave who’s pretty much had their will broken would do. He probably figured it was another rat that was to blame for not locking them properly. "

I’d be inclined to agree with you EXCEPT prior to that scene we get one of a cat escaping after the cuffs are removed and being killed for said escape. Thus, logic dictates that the discovery of loose cuffs merits a bit more of a reaction then “lemme tighten these up…there we go..get along lil doggie”

“Seemed more to me like a “Lion-O saves the day and Cheetara broke the curse while Tygra just happened to be with her” episode to me. Tygra didn’t really do anything but say he didn’t believe in the curse. Cheetara did all the work. So why are you giving Tygra credit for it?”

Again, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. As I have pointed out before, Lion-O’s side of the story was filled with faults while Tygra’s wasn’t.

Tygra comes up with lame plan to sneak in and it works even after his plan nearly goes up in smoke. Tygra has an easy out when the elevator falls. Tygra emerges without a scratch amidst the falling rubble.

Lion-O is captured after he tries to show mercy - a hallmark of his character. Lion-O barely manages a win over Rattar-O. Lion-O gets rock smashed along with Panthro and Pumyra amidst rubble.

“Cheetara did all the work. So why are you giving Tygra credit for it?”

Maybe because Cheetara shares credit with Tygra in the episode…
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I think it has more to do with a presenttation that “love conquors all” even if that love was poorly developed.
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Actually, the backstory for the rats was one of the things i liked about this episode. It showed that they weren’t 100% eveil and that extenuating circumstances accounted for much of their misery.
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It’s simply another way for the writers to rub innuendo salt in the wounds of the majority who thought Ty/Chee; what the bleep is going on with that and why the bleep would the writers ever do that?

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I know you’re mad at the writers ratehr than the characters, but you make it sound as if you’re amd at Tygra for being what he is and getting what he got, as if it was his fault.

Again, he has no fault in Cheetara picking him, that was Cheetara’s decission (and I know you agrre in this).

In the same way, he doesn’t have the fault that his plan “worked” in the end, while Lion-o’s didn’t (in which I disagree btw). And it wasnpt his fault that the rocks didn’t smash them as the others.

I understand you’re not happy the way the show is written, and actually I agree with you in some points (for example, the whole love triangle could have definitely been better written)… but then stop making it sound as if you’re mad at the characters.

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Best thing you’ve said all day. However, Lion-O’s faults weren’t because of his own choices. I’m not trying to blame Pumyra (she’s my new favorite character hands down), but she was the cause for most of the problems in Lion-O’s plan.

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Where do I say any character did anything wrong? Yet again, I comment and blame the WRITERS not the characters.

The fact that all Tygra had to do was stand there is one of the many reason WHY I say this episode took away from Lion-O’s character and made Tygra shine. Lion-O had to FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE aftre crawling out of rubble while Tygra simply had to liplock.

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I never said that you told us the characters did anything wrong. That was just a statement. I have the opposite view on the Tygra thing, though. I guess I just think the more danger/action you’re in, the more focused the episode is on you (at least in action shows). All three times I watched the episode, I never really focused on Tygra or Cheetara’s story, but it was important. Just seeing the episode the first time, I felt like Lion-O was the star of the episode. But that’s just me.

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In just about every post, I make it a point to note that it is the writers I am upset with so if it sounds like I am mad at the characters, that’s simply how you see it and how you choose to comprehend my posts. I’m not going to fault you on it nor will I think any less of you.

The one thing I am striving to do is remain respectful of others opinions even when they do not respect mine and debate instead of argue.

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Please don’t throw another Tygrafest temper tantrum and make me regret the respect I give you.
Try to seperate your obvious dislike for the character from fans of the character. Describing someone disagreeing with your viewpoint as a “Tygrafest temper tantrum” is just childish.

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Sorry if I sound like I don’t respect your opinion; I do. It’s just that I find it difficult to find where are you coming from in some parts and really want to understand. I’m not arguing, I’m stating some points that you might have missed, as you post some points that you think we’ve might missed.

Peace.

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This, I respectfully AGREE with you on for the most part. (although Pumyra still has some warming up to do to me)

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After awhile you will. it took me a few minutes of re-reading his posts.

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If Tygra and Cheetara tried to escape after they were caught like those earlier cats, they probably would have been blasted too.

Comparing the two plots seems silly to me. They were not up against the same sort of enemy, nor did they use or need to use the same skills to get out of it. If Tygra had gotten into a sword fight with a powerful opponent and completely out skilled Lion-O, then ok. As we know, that’s not the case.

If anything, Tygra looked silly for doubting the curse in the first place. He’s continuously met with a series of unfortunate events, but still denies that there’s a curse. Which leads to Cheetara having to save his cute butt 3 times. All Tygra did was come up with a bad plan. That’s it. He did nothing to be praised for in this episode. Well, I liked see another side to his personality this episode, but I wont go there with you;)

Lion-O got the better deal. We got to see him in all of his goodness, and we can see that it’s rubbing off on the other cats too. In the end, it was Lion-O’s ability to show mercy ( moral of the day) that saves the day. Cheetara retrieves the sword with very little help from Tygra. She is the hero of the B plot, not Tygra.

If Lion-O would have KO that rat on impact, the battle would have been pretty darn dull :eek: They had to make the threat look like a well…threat:eek: Sure the fight could have been choreographed better ( I hate the stone/shield combo) , but it doesn’t make Tygra look better by default.

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How does that diminish Lion-O’s character at all? As a Tygra fan I’d rather see my favorite character fighting the villain instead of luckily not getting killed by falling debris.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

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I loved how Pumyra snapped at Cheetara when Cheetara was talking about how she hates seeing cats suffer. I thought it was hilarious.

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I very much enjoyed “Curse of Ratilla”. When the opening credits changed, you knew you were in for a special story, and this fast-paced one certainly was that. The dangerous lives and harsh treatment of the enslaved cat miners was unflinchingly showed, but all the better to make its point. Since Kat and Kit are still back in Dog City with Toolkit, I was delighted to see Pumyra join Lion-O and the others, and she’s still just as hotheaded as she was in “The Pit”. The animation and the fight sequences were well done, and the Sword of Plundarr’s backstory was very good with its nod to the clash between the original Jaga and Ratilla. This new Ratar-O was a good villian and I like the English-style accent the voice actor gave him, making the character darkly suave and sophisticated. Lion-O’s act of mercy toward Ratar-O’s underling paid off just like it did with the Lizard back in Thundera. For all its grimness the story was not without its humor, such as Pumyra flirting with a flustered Lion-O as Panthro rolls his eyes. Tygra was just as egoistic as ever (doesn’t that guy ever learn?) while Cheetara cheekily returned the banter. Their fall into the mine shaft and their escapes from the falling stalactites was hair-raising, but I think they made it a little too easy for them for find the Sword of Plundarr. I don’t know if it was their kiss that broke the curse of the Sword, but it was a nice touch and further cemented them as a couple. I hope Lion-O begins to see Pumyra as someone he can be with, but since she’s going to be in only several more episodes, he’d better make the most of it while it lasts – especially with that cliff-hanger ending!

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Hmmm selectively editing my comment to spin it a certain way…how positvely droll.

Now, let’s look at the snippet you selected in its entire context:
“As I said before, these are just my opinions and interpretations of how I viewed the episode. While I don’t agree with yours I do respect. Please don’t throw another Tygrafest temper tantrum and make me regret the respect I give you.”

Hmmm, when it in full it is obvious that I am not describing someone who disgarees with my viewpoint; I am simply explaining that what I post are my opinions and that I did not want another argument of “reasons why Tygra is better than Lion-O” to errupt.

I get the fact that you are a Tygra fan. I’m not. I prefer the TYgra from the OS. I get the fact that you are quick to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you that Tygra is the end all be all greatest character ever. I’m still going to continue to present my opinions that he isn’t. I get the fact that you can accept anyone poiting out the obvious character flaws. I’m still going to.

Here’s the thing sport, this isn’t a We Love Tygra message board. It’s not even a We Hate Tygra message board. It’s aThundercats message board. Fans should be allowed to present their opinions without having others attack them for it.

Judgeing from the commenst I have read from you on this thread and others, it seems you forgot that. You focus more on arguing with those who don’t agree with you instead of debating them.

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The fact that you even call it a “Tygrafest temper tantrum” shows disdain for Tygra fans and it’s not necessary.

I get the fact that you are a Tygra fan. I’m not. I prefer the TYgra from the OS. I get the fact that you are quick to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you that Tygra is the end all be all greatest character ever.
It’s nice of you to assume that I’d attack someone for not holding the same opinions as me. Which again shows your low opinion of Tygra fans. I don’t care if you like Tygra or not, I just ask that you respect the opinions of others without childish behavior.

I’m still going to continue to present my opinions that he isn’t. I get the fact that you can accept anyone poiting out the obvious character flaws. I’m still going to.
Please point out where I’ve suggested where Tygra is perfect. Oh, you can’t. The character is flawed as all characters are. Stop assuming all Tygra fans think the character is better than the others.

Here’s the thing sport, this isn’t a We Love Tygra message board. It’s not even a We Hate Tygra message board. It’s aThundercats message board. Fans should be allowed to present their opinions without having others attack them for it.
Which is why I asked you to not be childish with a comment like “Tygrafest temper tantrum”.

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Simple really.

As I pointed out before, Tygra’s plan was flawed from the get-go yet as “luck” would have it - and I say luck to mean how the writers penned it - even aftre their plan is exposed, they get away scott free. (Throws a roll of Scott toiletpaper to honor Rocky Horror) When the elevator breaks, there is no aspect of “danger” because right off the bat, out comes whip and staff. Not a single bit of debris hits Tygra and Cheetara all because they think their number is up and kiss in a lame attempt (again in my opinion) to show that “love conquors all”

So yet again, an episode where Tygra does no wrong even when he is obviously doing wrong.

Now, after all the lessons he’s had to learn, Lion-O still is portrayed in my opinion as having learned little to no lessons at all. His sword fight showed that the lessons learned in The Duelist and the Drifter were either ignored or forgotten by the writers.

His inability to restrain and calm Pumyra, as well as the way he was so easily captured in my opinion shows that the lessons he learned during the Trials were either ignored or forgotten by the writters.

So yet again, another episode where Lion-O does right and comes out the worse for wear.

And sadly, you comment shows why you will never be able to debate, only argue. Tygra is your favorite charater and you have shown that you are in no way shape or form willing to accept that others don’t see him in the same light as you do nor are you willing to admit that he isn’t as perfect as the Tygra fans make him out to be.

As for me, I have no favorite character. Yes, I prefer Lion-O because he is the central character but then again, he was the central character in the 1980’s OS.

Still, I shall try my best to respect your opinions, even if I don’t agree with them.

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When they kissed they weren’t saying “Love conquers all”, they were choosing to spend what was probably their last moments together.

Now, after all the lessons he’s had to learn, Lion-O still is portrayed in my opinion as having learned little to no lessons at all. His sword fight showed that the lessons learned in The Duelist and the Drifter were either ignored or forgotten by the writers.
I do agree that Lion-O should have held his own better in the fight against Ratar-O. All I could offer is that maybe his lessons from the Duelist didn’t apply in a fight against someone using the magic Ratar-O possessed.

And sadly, you comment shows why you will never be able to debate, only argue. Tygra is your favorite charater and you have shown that you are in no way shape or form willing to accept that others don’t see him in the same light as you do nor are you willing to admit that he isn’t as perfect as the Tygra fans make him out to be.
I don’t care if someone likes Tygra or not. You can dislike Tygra all you want, my problem is you turning a dislike for the character into a dislike for fans of the character.

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As I see it, Tygra did everything wrong.

HIs handcuffs plan failed; he denied the curse everytime, putting the two of them in danger. Hasn’t it been for Cheetara, nothing would have worked.

The only thing he did that worked was holding Cheetara when she wanted to run with the sword. And to be honest, when the roof started falling, I thought he would tell Cheetara something lime “you’re fast, go and save yourself and the sword, don’t worry for me. That’s why we came here in the first place.” But by holding her there to have a last moment together, he saved her. That’s the only thing he did good in the whole ep.