The newbie review of the new TCats 2011 trailer

Okay, so I’ve watched the trailer a number of times now, and here is my “way too long, did he actually spend that much time breaking it down?” comments on it:

First scene: Mumm-ra etched on stone.
Not much to say, other than it looks good, ‘egyptianish.’

Second scene: Plundarians pulling something
Interesting to see them. Is this the first we’ve seen of any of the bad guys? Small and scrany looking, but these appear to be slaves due to the chains and such, not the “head” bad guys, who’ll likely be much stronger and more capable.

Third scene: Cut to someone with long bangs and red eyes.
Don’t know what to say. Don’t know who it is, or what role he or she plays.

Fourth Scene: Royal Chambers?/Presenting of the sword.
Some “priests” wearing ‘lion’ costumes and bearing the Sword approach a dias with Claudius, Liono, Tygra, and ?Jaga? standing on it. Jaga looks very old and thin here. Claudius much the opposite. Interesting that Tygra is here but not any of the other main characters. I believe I read somewhere that one of the voice actors “leaked” that Tygra and Liono are going to be brothers in this version… perhaps Tygra is adopted? That might explain why he is here, but the others are not. Also, the priests garments are the first hint of a perhaps very ‘lion’ dominated culture. I’ll point out a number of other areas as we move on where lions seem to be a much more in focus vs. other cat species.

Fifth Scene: quick cut of the ?sword of omens? reflecting ?Mumm-ra’s? face
Not much to comment on here.

Sixth scene: Lion-o running is a ?palace?
To be nitpicky here, I’m not fond of the animation here. I don’t see most people holding their arms up like that while running.

Seventh scene: Quick shot of Cladius’ face
Looks good… not much more to say.

Eigth scene: Lion-o taking sword.
The Sword is seen, hilt up, sparkling with electricity. Cut to Lion-o displaying lots of tension in his face. I think this is kinda silly animation here. The delayed look at a characters face as various features, like checks and eyebrows quiver to indicate supreme mental effort being displayed. Finally Lion-o grasps the sword raises it up while they camera does a 360 around him. You can really see in this shot the “furry-ness” of Lion-o. I like that, these are cats after all.

Ninth scene: Thundarians cheering a group on stage in front of a decidedly “Cat’s Lair” looking structure.
The cheering crowd appears to be cheering Grune, as he’s the front character on stage and the only one who “bows” in acknowledgement of the applause. A few other interesting things: Again, Tygra is present, but not Wily’s, Cheetara or Panthro; further seeming to put forth the idea that Tygra is an (adopted?) son. ?Jaga? and Grune both are wearing the same helmet. Grune only has one tooth… I’m a little sketchy on my Grune lore, but in the original, didn’t he lose the tooth after he went rogue? Tygra can be clearly seen here, as well as in his previous appearance NOT wear his army green costume.

Tenth and Eleventh scenes: To misc. palace/arena scenes.
Just some generic footage, except both scenes show more of that Lion-centric culture. In the first we see two Lions on top of pillars in front of the area being shows. In the second we see what appears to be a “royal” seating area at an roman style arena. The front of the seating area has a large lion head carved on it.

Twelfth scene: Lion engages sight beyond sight.
Just a quick clip of Lion using the sword for s-b-s and the eye coming to life in the sword. Decent animation here.

Thirteenth scene: Cat fight
Two cats engaged in a fight. One is scrambling up a large tree-ish/vine-ish thing while the other swings in on a rope and kicks the first off. It’s hard to say given the quality of the video, but the one being kicked might be Tygra. The other is a cat who appear to have a mohawk. The kicker might be lion based, and just have a mostly shaved head, or it might be cougar based.

Fourteenth scene: Plundarians pulling something huge.
Appears to be the same scene of the Plundarian slaves pulling soming huge, almost alien egg looking. All the slaves appear to be reptiles. Standing atop the “egg” is a figure, who we zoom in on to see is Grune.

Fifteenth scene: Palace and calvary.
A very large palace or castle door is opened and three or more figures astride mounts and riding out. As we zoom in we can see two of the figures are Claudius and Tygra. The mounts appear to be equal parts horse, cat, and lizard. They are mostly grey, with a lighter underbelly. Furred, and with a spikey hair type mane (The spikes do “wave” in the wind as the mounts run). The mounts do NOT have a briddle or any sort seeming to imply perhaps some level of intelligence or possibly some level of telepathic communication between rider and beast. Again, Tygra is NOT wearing the army green costume.

Sixteenth scene: Arena
We’re back in the roman style arena seen in scene 11. At the center appears to be a large viney/treey thing, probably the same thing seen in scene 13. We zoom in on the center thingy and see Liono vaulting up the thick vine to the applause and cheering of the audience. He gets to the top and appear to lunge at Tygra. There is an explosion of light and then we see (probably) Liono falling a long ways back down the the tree/vine thingy.

Seventeenth scene: The Wilies!
A very young (5-8 years old?) Kit and Kat are running.

Eighteenth scene: Cheetara
Appears to prepare for a fight. Not much else to say.

Nineteenth scene: Generic Thunderain
Thunderain apparently charging at an enemy with a drawn sword. Appears to be a military member and appears to be lion based. This might be a random thing or it might be further evidence of a Lion-centric society.

Twentieth scene: Tygra
Two quick cuts of Tygra, again clearly NOT in the green costume. Swings the whip a couple of times. No sign of a gun of any sorts. I like this Tygra better than the still pictures we’ve seen of him.

21st scene: Snarf
Very quick shot of snarf diving behind ?Claudius’? legs.

22nd scene: Jaga and Lion
We see Jaga on a balcony of sorts approaching Liono and laying a hand on his shoulder. He appears to be imparting some of his famous wisdom on the young lord.

23rd scene: Mob
A mod of generic Thunderians who appear to be ready to storm Castle Frankenstein, or maybe repel some Plundariens. The costumes seem to be pretty consistent with Middle Ages European peasants. They are armed with torches and various hand tools one might find on a farm. What’s interesting here is that while these are “generic” cats, they do seem to display some specific specific traits that show through, though not to the same extent as the Thundercats. There is some species markers, but not overpoweringly so. Some have tiger like stripes, some appear to be lion-ish and at least two seem to be vaguely panthro-like.

Not to get too far off the track here, but this seems to support an idea that mcss aerocoupe brought up in a thread I started months ago about interspecies breeding. MA said here:

For the sake of argument, let’s say being a ThunderCat was a birthright. That would mean ThunderCats were like the royal families of real history. Therefore, it could have been taboo to marry outside of your own clan/species on Old ThunDera if you were a ThunderCat. But those rules would not apply to non-ThunderCat ThunDerians.

24th scene: Cheetara joins the party
Cheetara is leaping over a wall and then stands in front of Tygra and Lion, raising her staff as if to defend them. Both boys appear a little surprised to see her. As she’s leaping the wall we see a cats head carving that is either female or not lion based as it has no mane.

25th scene: Palace training
We see what appears to be Claudius and Liono fighting in a large room in a ?palace?. It appears to be a training session. Claudius is wielding the Sword or Omens, Lion-o a regular sword.

26th scene: ambush?
An apparently short and stout Thunderian is attacking someone with a small knife. The “someone,” who appears to be Lion-o in a cloak, wheel-house kicks the figure. We then see a figure fall hard to the ground, but it is NOT the short stout figure. Rather it is the man from scene 19. Are these scenes related then, or just a editing thing?

27th scene: Cheetara
Just a quick shot of Cheetara

28th scene: Disappearing cat
We see Tygra standing next to a stockade with a Plundarian reptile in it. He swings his whip and disappears as two Thunderian peasants appear to be trying to attack him. These appear to be the same peasants from the mob in scene 23. Why are they attacking Tygra? Are they revolting against the ThunderCats? Or are they perhaps trying to get to the reptile to do some unpleasant things to him and Tygra’s trying to stop them from doing vigilante type punishments on him?

After looking over the Trailer again, it appears that this scene is the same event as scenes 12 & 24. In both those scenes the reptile in the stockade can be seen partially in the background.

29th scene: More palace training
Some quick cut scenes of Lion-o wielding the Sword of Omens in the same area as scene 25. Claudius is looking on.

30th scene: Logo
Um, they show the logo. :slight_smile:

Okay, so there you have it… Over all I liked it a lot and I’m excited for the series to start!!
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Forgot to mention… noticeably absent from this trailer is Panthro. This seems consistent with reports that Panthro will be on site (Third Earth) before the other cats get there. Most of the clips we saw seem to be on Thundar (the possibly exception being the Plundar slave scenes).

Nice observation, u picked up lots more than me Red! It almost certainly is Lion-O falling after looking to flying punch Tygra (YAY Go Tygra!) and yes Grune seems to be gettng the applause (perhaps been annointed as a Thundercat?). There definately seems to be a revolt of some kind going on (maybe started by Grune).
The running scene of Lion-O is pants I agree. And I agree vehemenantly that Tygra looks better without the crappy green army suit :)) tho am paranoid they’ll change him once he gets to Third Earth!!
I didnt even spot it was Mumm-Ra (the everliving form) etched into stone at start, he looks awesome with wings I think :).
Jaga looks way too frail and weak for my liking. Well happy there no sign of Tygra’s ‘Gun’ as well, stupidest addition to the re-design (apart from sideburns on Panthro) IMO.
Keep up the good work!! :tygra: :tygra::tygra:

I like these Tygra’s clothes more than the military suit too.

It’s too bad 'bout Tygra’s costume… I really like what they have him wearing in the trailer. But the still shots combined with the toys seems to indicate pretty strongly that he’ll end up the army green.

It doesn’t really matter to me what they eventually wear. As long as the action and stories are good.

It looks like Tygra is a good warrior now too which he wasn’t really in the original series. Which sucks really because he is afterall a tiger and they are powerful. It always bothered me how the likes of panthro and the rest were easily swept aside by mumm-ra and co. It was usually Lion’o to the rescue.

I hope the crazy looking villains and weaponry will still be there, not only sword fighting scenes and martial arts.

Why do you say Tygra wasn’t a good warrior in the old series? I think he was a good one.

About Lion-O always rescuing the rest, it bothered me too, especially because he only was able to do that with the sword… everytime he lost it, it was the others to the rescue lol.

I say that because Tygra wasn’t really involved much in fights and if he was he was easily beaten most of the time. It bothered me because he was my fave thundercat. With a weapon like the whip he should have been bad ass!

Well, I agree with you in that he was almost always the first to fall, or the one to fall more easily / quickly (I mean, he had shorter battle scenes), especially in the later eps. But he had many good fights too: he was the one to give a better fight to Mongor, or Monkian (when he got some superpowers from Mumm-Ra), while Panthro and Cheetara fell really fast. He even was a better opponent to Vultureman when he took that superpower potion than Panthro, but he had the tank to protect him. He also fought against both a giant and a giant bee to save Cheetara in Divide and Conquer.

The problem was when the new TCs were introudced and scenes had to be cut because of time, they made him fall very fast because kids (or fans) preferred Panthro and Cheetara, so they made better scenes for them. I was really upset for how easily Red-Eye captured him the first time they met.

And the few times he was the last one to fight, it was like: make Panthro fight and play wuth the nunchucks, ok we did; now make Cheetara run fast and play with her staff, ok we did; now make Tygra fight and use the whip… no time, just make the enemy of turn beat him. And all that only got worse when the new TCs appeared and they had to show them off a little bit (like in Mumm-Ra Lives - Part V, or Telepathy Beam). Again, he was really underrated and mistreated in the show to favor the other characters, especially from season 2.

And the whip was definitely the best weapon around.

[COLOR=“DarkRed”]WARNING: Majorly off topic comments ahead!!

Well… if you want to really get nitpicky, it’s oft debated who would win a fight between a lion and a tiger. Now, of course, physical size is going to play a key roll here. Tigers are, on average, bigger than Lions. But to what extent? You match a Siberian Tiger against a Asiatic Lion and there’s a huge favor to the Tiger. But put a Chinese Tiger up against the largest African lion you can find and it’s a totally different story.

According to Wikipedia, an male African lion averages about 200kg (440 lbs) while a male Bengal Tiger (the most common subspecies of Tiger) averages 220kg (487 lbs) That’s still a lot of weight and muscle, but it isn’t as much as some people seem to think it is.

Now, add in a few things: Lions are taller a the shoulder (123cm to 100cm)… this means they would have a longer reach for swiping with the front paws. Additionally, a male lions, from very early on, lives a life based on fighting other lions. A male (or group of males) needs to fight off the reigning male(s) of a pride to get control. Then they need to defend against other rivals who will want to do the same to them that they just did the other old pride leader(s).

Yes, Tigers lead a violent life too, but there isn’t as much tiger to tiger fights as there are lion to lion fights. If you train for years and year to hunt wildlife and get really good at it, you’ll certainly be able to use some of those skills for “hunting” humans. But you won’t be nearly as good as someone who’s trained for years and years to “hunt” humans. There are similarities, but it isn’t the same.

For what it’s worth, Animal Planet, in their Animal Face-Off series, point to this to give the Lion a win vs. a Tiger. I don’t know if it would really work out that way. I tend to think they under-emphasized the size (strength) of the Tiger a bit, but it would be interesting to have a way to test this (without actually having the animals fight, of course!). My guess is if you ran this contest 100 times it would probably come real close to 50 wins each, with a lucky break being the leading cause for success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo

I think when the new Tcats did come onto the scene, with Bengali beng a 2nd tiger based Tcat, they practically replaced Tygra with him somewhat! Watching tribute vids for both, Bengali had a fair bit of combat in that 2nd season ans usually came off ok! (lame beads he used to use with the hammer BTW!).
Now don’t get me wrong, I really liked Bengali in char and design, but hated the fact we hardly ever saw tygra anymore.

As for the RL scenario, as much as I hate to admit it the Lion with its extra combat practice/experience prob would stand a very decent chance of a win, though size and strength would also count for a lot! Tough 1 to call, the animal planet thing is a bit of a joke tho! lol.

Yeah, animation was quite silly, but if you ever watched the show it was kinda interesting. They would actually do tests to figure out the strength of animals and force. They would at least attempt to be scientific about it. Sorta like The Ultimate Warrior if you ever seen that show. But yeah animation was not their strong suit there.

Ok, just finished taking screen shots of my own from the CN trailer, and caught a lot of stuff I didn’t watching it before. So I thought I’d add my two cents to the analysis so far…

Looked to me like there’s a changing of the guard going on with the Sword being presented and shots of Lion-O fighting against other Thundercats (a la the Anointment Trials, I’m presuming). Grune is also in some shots (seems to be in league with Claudus here, but maybe heading some treachery - in one shot looks like some minion is trying to assassinate Lion-O), and Tygra seems to be always near Claudus which would fit with him being head of council per the old series - so if not that then he has some high position on the royal court.

There was some bloody reptilian in some stocks in a few shots, and other shots showed angry crowds of Thunderians. Looks like Mutants might be enslaved here. Unrest amongst Thunderians might be from the pending doom of the planet, if they are keeping with that storyline anyway.

How Mumm-Ra factors in I’m not sure. He did talk in the old series (in at least one ep anyway) about the Eye being familiar to him so who knows how they’re going to tie him in with this canon. Interesting.

Tygra is almost certainly there with Claudius as he and Lion-O are brothers (therefore son to claudius?) in this new one Purssia, whether he is also head of the council etc I’m not sure but he looks a lot younger in the re-make.

oh yeah I keep forgetting this brother thing. Thanks for the reminder :slight_smile:

Nice analysis everyone..

I CANT WAIT!! I love everything about everything!! It took me a while to get used to the toys and stuff, but after seeing the trailer I was instantly hooked!!!

Tygra has always been my fav TCat. I would have liked to see him and Bengali as family. Perhaps cousins or so and as warriors. Always felt Tygra got the short end of things when I was a kid.

As far as lion vs tiger thing. I am biased as Tigers are my favorite animal but here is a profession response to emails regarding the matter.
http://www.pictures-of-cats.org/the-experts-say-the-tiger-wins-a-tiger-vs-lion-fight.html

On a side note. Claudus is huge. Would love to see him go “feral” on some Mum-Ra.

Welcome to my world :wink:

Ditto! lol
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Quality link mate, thanks a lot for that, v interesting reading for some1 who has asked that question since he was 5! lol Tigers FTW!!

P.s despite liking Bengali, and LOVING white tigers we must remember that such creatures are very bad for the tiger populas as they are merely inbred, cross-eyed genetically weak tigers!..off topic but important point for all tiger lovers! :slight_smile:

Quoted for Truth!

Used to be a HUGE white tiger fan until I discovered the dirty secret about 'em. Honestly, I really can’t even look at one know and find it beautiful… I just think about all the wrong that was done to create it. Obviously not the animals fault of course.

Remember too, that white tigers are more than just bread to be that way. There are actually white tigers in the wild and it is specualted to be on the rise due to a recesive gene, particularly in bengal tigers(Ironic right there given Bengali). Similar too how white aligators are albinos of their respective species. In fact many tigers are albinos and do not have stripe but are instead solid white.

Another case would be certain jaguars in South America have spots, but many people are accustomed to solid black ones due to having a melanin pigment disorder. Rare but still “common”

That being said, I would Imagine Cheetara being thinner here is also due to the “Cheetah” heriatge. Even males of the species are lean built for speed and agility far more than strength. If they go this route it may explain why Tygra stands taller than Lion if they are of the same age.

As far as Bengali goes though, if they introduced him as family to Tygra and made his hammer a war hammer instead of a tool that would rock. Mutants beware. Tygra the stealth ass kicker and Bengali the blunt force.