Pop Culture Shock - ThunderCats statues license! :)

Hi gang,

It seems that another company have also managed to score the rights to produce ThunderCats statues - http://thundercatslair.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3868 . :slight_smile:

I wonder what Rob from Hard Hero will think about this? Unfortunately for him it sounds like these are 100% legit! :wink: Hopefully Hard Hero will continue to sell enough of their line of TCats statues to keep the line going, as it seems to me that Rob is on the level… :slight_smile:

Could I suggest that, in light of this rumour regarding Pop Culture Shock, it might be worth Mark or someone getting in touch with them for some insider PR wizardry - perhaps mention that we have an excellent working relationship with Hard Hero and would love to help them promote their ThunderCats-related products through this site as well? :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

Hey Chris, yes I was surprised by this news, it is strange to me that WB decided to go to another company given that the Hard Hero line seems to have been selling very well.

The new company makes much bigger statues check out these pics:

http://popcultureshocktoys.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/gief_h.jpg?w=455&h=341

http://popcultureshocktoys.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/gief_g.jpg?w=455&h=408

Those statues are freakin huge!

Well I think we need to play this quite carefully. I think I’d like to be able to back both companies and promote them via our site. Given that I made a lot of headway with Rob Potts at Hard Hero and secured his agreement for us to buy his prototypes I feel we have something to lose here if we start promoting Pop Culture Shock’s line also.

But we’ve always had the fans as the focus for this site so if the new company gets so far along that they put statues into the marketplace I think we’d HAVE to carry the stories. I just worry about Rob’s reaction.

I’ll play it carefully and will get in touch with the new company and see what they have planned.

Chris here…

Hey Mark, thanks for your response to this. :slight_smile:

I’m going to be honest and say that I disagree that we need to play this particularly carefully - whilst Rob is an awesome guy and Hard Hero are working hard on the statues, at the end of the day if these statues from Pop Culture Shock are officially-licensed merchandise, our focus should be providing info about these for the fans. :slight_smile:

We’re a neutral ThunderCats news site that isn’t affiliated to any official body or organisation, and whilst obviously I wouldn’t want to offend Rob or Hard Hero, if he can’t appreciate that, then to be blunt I’d think that was very immature of him given that Hard Hero are a business. As I said in the thread about the unlicensed statues, Hard Hero’s job should be to make fans want to buy the statues, not because they’re the only ThunderCats product on the market but because they’re so awesome that fans want to buy them regardless. :wink:

I also think that we shouldn’t wait until Pop Culture Shock actually release any product - if they have product lined up ready to go out of the gate and are willing to share that information, we should let fans know. Again, if Rob and/or Hard Hero at large can’t cope with that, as far as I’m concerned they’re not living in the real world - their beef in that circumstance shouldn’t be with an independent news site (albeit one with whom they’ve struck up a mutually beneficial rapport), but rather with Warner Bros for allowing another company to start producing statues that they view as competition (assuming they look at it that way)… :slight_smile:

Anyway, keep us posted on any new developments, Mark! :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

Hey Chris, have thought a lot about what you said and I maintain that this is delicate work right now for me in trying to ensure the best possible outcome for TCL while bringing both companies close to us and being true to our mission here - namely to be the best fan site we can be.

I’ve approached Jerry at Pro Culture Shock and asked for an interview. I’ve made an offer to provide copies of model sheets, colour guides, cels etc to help with his statue design. I’ve asked for his thoughts on how we could work together and we’ll see what he says back.

For me it is important that we continue to promote Hard Hero and we continue to keep a strong relationship there. What I would be worried about is that Jerry, who doesn’t work on sales or marketing of his statues (this is done through Side Show Collectibles), might not give us the same kind of exclusive content and updates that we’re getting from Hard Hero.

Rob has suggested we’ll be breaking a new announcement for him on an exclusive statue they’re designing. What if Jerry isn’t that interested in dealing with us? I don’t want to compromise the quality of information that Hard Hero is starting to give us.

We would of course always run front page stories for each statue release from either company, no question about that. But as a site I think we’d put more energy into the company that gives us the most of a push too. If in the best possible outcome both companies strive to work with us, then we will be playing a delicate balancing game trying to keep them both happy while trying to get the best information back from them.

I’ll keep the team updated on my conversations with Jerry. For starters here is my introduction letter below:


Hi Jerry,

First let me say congratulations on securing the license to create the 1/4 scale ThunderCats license. Just when I thought we couldn’t get any better news than the recently posted Mumm-Ra statue by Hard Hero, along comes the story that Pop Culture Shock will be making a premium line of our favourite property too. We’re excited for you and for the future of your line, and to see your take on our favourite cartoon characters. And for me personally I’m excited to buy your statues and put them on display in my home!

I’d like to introduce you to ThunderCatsLair.org which is a fan site for, you guessed it, ThunderCats. I work on the site with a team of colleagues and we’ve become (with all semblance of modesty now out the window) the most popular ThunderCats site on the net. We pride ourselves on bringing great content and information to fans of the TCats and we are interested in supporting your work on this line.

We’ve had a great working relationship with Hard Hero which remains important to us, but because our first priority is to the fans we knew immediately that we should contact you to talk about how ThunderCatsLair.org can assist, and how we can best get updates on your plans and progress.

We’re delighted to hear that you’re a long time fan of the show and I look forward to the chance to work with you. Please note that we’ve accumulated a large amount of production drawings, model sheets, blueprints, colour guides, original hand painted cels from the show and other materials that you would likely find helpful in developing your concepts and selecting paint colours etc. We’d be happy to share these with you as well my team’s thoughts and access to forum / community polls etc. to help in your decision making as to which characters to make and in what order.

Are you in a position yet that I could have one my staff contact you to do a phone interview which we’d like to record and use in an upcoming podcast? If you would prefer a different way of announcing your news to ThunderCats fans we’re open to any suggestions you have.

Best, and ThunderCats HOOOO!!
Grizz, aka Mark Sheard
416-888-4355
www.thundercatslair.org

Well I finally got a response from Jerry and here is what he said:

Hi Mark

Id like to hold off until I have approval from WB to allow you to post some sneak peaks. Hopefully within the next two weeks.

I hope that works for you.

Jerry

Chris here…

Sounds pretty reasonable to me, especially if it means we might get some exclusive content! :thumbsup: I’m surprised that he needs clearance from WB if they’ve granted Pop Culture Shock the license, I would have thought that meant that PCS could do whatever they liked in terms of releasing images and content. Oh well, if we get some juicy news to share, then it’s all academic! :slight_smile:

Many thanks and well done, Mark, for all your great work on this so far! :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

Hey guys, well my efforts with Jerry over at Pop Culture Shock have finally paid off, he’s given us an exclusive picture to use and has agreed to do an e-mail interview with me on their work with ThunderCats. I’ve sent this over to Manny for inclusion on the front page (as I keep messing up the html when I try to do it myself).

Here is the image, we’re the first and only to receive this, so far he’s only shown tiny little images on the popular statueforum.org

I’ll also start a thread asking for readers to include their questions of Jerry and I’ll e-mail that to him later this week.

Cheers,
Grizz

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/Grizzlor18/liono4.jpg

Chris here…

Nice work, Mark! :thumbsup:

I got your blanket e-mail - I’ve e-mailed out that watermark file you asked for, it should be hitting yours and Manny’s inboxes any second now (if it hasn’t already)! :slight_smile:

Take care… :slight_smile:

Hey guys, I’ve sent over a 16 question interview to Jerry at Pop Culture Shock and so will hopefully have the answers ready to be posted in a few days. I’ve also asked for any additional photos that he can share with us. We may wait until they’ve completed the paint job on Lion-O to post an updated photo, it may just be a teaser style photo again but we’ll just have to wait and see.

Cheers,
Mark

Not to be shared until we get approval

Could somebody put a watermark on this image? We’re about to get the interview answers and more pictures from Jerry and he’s going to try and give us some advance time to get our pages together before these hit the net.

Note that this can’t go on the front page or be shared in the forums until I get authorization from Jerry

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/Grizzlor18/Lion_O_FinishedA.jpg

File is located here: http://thundercatslair.org/team/manny/watermarked/Lion_O_Finished_watermarked.jpg

http://thundercatslair.org/team/manny/watermarked/Lion_O_Finished_watermarked.jpg

Wow! I love the sword on that thing! Not a fan of the face though, it looks too much like the newer comics for my liking. I’ll always prefer Lion-O’s cartoon look :wink: I like the body sculpt though.

Jerry has finished with the interview which is below here for your reading enjoyment. I’ll whip up a page in the Merchandise area for this.

Manny, Chris, please stand by to put a front page story on this when I get the page finished. Am also waiting for the all clear to use the new colour picture to go along with this interview, but Jerry wants WB to approve it first.

Cheers,
Mark


Jerry, congratulations on securing the license to create statues for what we at ThunderCatsLair.org consider to be the best cartoon property of all time. From everything we’ve seen of Pop Culture Shock’s previous work and the teasers we’ve seen of the Lion-O statue, fans are in for an incredible ride. Thanks too for agreeing to take the time to answer fan questions about your plans for the statue line.

Q1) You mentioned you’re a big fan of the ThunderCats. What are your favourite ThunderCats memories from way back when? Who is your favourite character, and what do you like about them?

I was 17 when ThunderCats hit so my attraction was mostly about the character design. Ive always thought the concept of cat-people was a great one and Thunder Cats did it exceptionally well. Tygra’s design was my fav Thunder Cat as I love tigers. Im a huge fan of monsters (used to do special effects) so the Mutants were always my main favorites. They are some of the coolest designs I had ever seen. I used to sit in front of the tv with my clay and try and sculpt them. Wish I still had pics of those. Out of the Mutants Im going to have to go with Slithe though Mumm-Ra in Ever Living form is really cool.

Q2) We understand that the ThunderCats license was hard to acquire (and not cheap). Can you tell us a bit about the terms you and Warner Brothers agreed to?

I first contacted WB in 2003 when my old company SOTA Toys was gaining popularity. I couldnt believe no one was doing anything with the property. At the time I wanted to do action figures to go along with my Street Fighter action figures. Unfortunately Thunder Cats was not on WB’s list of properties they wanted to license as I believe they were waiting to tie it in with a new show or movie. I tried to change their mind every few months to the point where Im sure I became annoying.

Several years later I started Pop Culture Shock Collectibles to focus on statues and I saw that Hard Hero was doing a Lion-O…I flipped and dug out my old WB contacts. They got right back to me and even remembered that I used to pester them several years earlier. I was pretty happy they remembered my enthusiasm. We met and the deal went very smoothly. It is for three years and it only includes 1/4 scale statues though we are discussing other things.

Q3) Who is the sculptor behind the Lion-O statue, and how did you know he was the right dude for the job?

Khurram Alavi sculpted Lion-O and I think he did a fantastic job. It was our first time working together but I have seen his previous work for Sideshow and Bowen and was impressed. We have since done several more projects and he is working on the next Thunder Cats statue as we speak.

Q4) As you know there has been a lot of news breaking in the past few weeks, such as a new cartoon under production with Warner Bros and a new line of action figures were recently announced also. Two other companies are producing statues and stactions of the ThunderCats. Fans are uproariously excited about the revival of the ThunderCats. Could you comment on how this revival has or might affect your design decisions?

When I did my deal with WB we discussed what style these statues would be in and how they would fit in with what other companies are doing. As much of a fan of the cartoon as I am I thought it would be great to try and do an Ed McGuinness style on these statues. I think other companies are doing a great job at capturing the animation look and at the large size and high price point that I am focusing on, the collectors want detail and McGuiness style has lots of detail. It seems like right now there is something coming for all Thunder Cats fans.

Do you expect to be asked to incorporate changes to characters designs coming out of the new show?

Not at all. While WB is going to promote the heck out of the new show they also understand that the fans want other versions of the Thunder Cats as well.

Will there be a separate line of statues based on the new show?

Very strong possibility

Q5) You’ve mentioned that Lion-O’s pose was inspired by Ed McGuinness’ cover to issue #1 of the ThunderCats Reclaiming Thundera comic books he drew. This pose was perhaps in turn inspired by the first frames of Lion-O from the cartoon introduction sequence. How do you anticipate you and your team will choose poses for upcoming characters?

That is a good question. Hard Hero has a year head start on me and they seem to be choosing very iconic poses. Cheetara is a perfect example. I dont want to just do a larger version of what they did so I am looking through the comics for poses as opposed to the cartoon. I am very open to the fans suggestions on future character poses.

Q6) Speaking of upcoming characters, everyone is in knots of anticipation wondering who is next in line. We know you know, so will you do the reveal for us? Who else should we expect to see next in the line?

We are actually working on two characters at once and whichever is finished and approved first will be next. Cheetara is one of them and I will leave the other as a future surprise.

How do you and your team decide which character to do next, and can ThunderCatsLair.org and the forum members help in any way with your choices?

I absolutely love to hear the fans suggestions. When I choose a character I try to balance who the collectors will want with who I want with who my sculptor may have the most fun sculpting.

Q7) Pop Culture Shock is well known for adding Exclusives to accompany the main statue. You’ve confirmed that it won’t be Snarf that you’re including with Lion-O, can you give us a hint or an update on what you’re planning?

See below

Will Lion-O’s sword have a light up feature?

This is the most likely exclusive. I dont want to put a light up eature in the regular version as it bumps the price significantly. So a light up feature on a limited run seems to be the best option.

Q Will your statues be divided into a regular edition and limited edition format (such as Artist Proofs) or will they be released as a single edition?

There will be two editions. Regular and Sideshow Exclusive. I do make Artist Proofs but I generally dont sell them to the public. They are for the people who were involved in creating the statue as well as WB.

Q9) Some fans have commented on the choice to add fangs to Lion-O which seems to be drawn from McGuinness’ style and to some people’s mind makes him resemble Marvel’s Sabretooth. The cartoon Lion-O and the LJN classic figure depict a more demure Lion-O. Could you comment on the choice?

Its basically what I talked about earlier. WB and I discussed the style and we thought my sensibilities would really lend themselves to McGuiness style which does have the fangs. The comics were pretty well received so Thunder Cats fans seem to accept the fangs at the time. I guess if someone loves everything about the statue except the fangs it wouldnt be too difficult to sand them down and touch up the paint.

Q10) Hardcore ThunderCats fans tend to be purists who have a healthy dose of respect for the original property and resist creative changes to their precious characters. How do you walk the fine line between infusing new creativity into Pop Culture’s version of the characters, and paying homage to the original?

This is something I have run into many times in the past with Street Fighter. I understand and accept the purists position but I also think there is nothing wrong with taking some artistic license as long as the essence of the character is left intact. Obviously that is going to be subjective but I like to think that we are be respectful to Thunder Cats. Plus it seems like Hard Hero is doing a good job of being closer to the original animation style.

Q11) Many of the site visitors are not familiar with the Premium Format statues that Pop Culture Shock creates, and the concept of using mixed media. Could you explain a bit about the format and how it is different from traditional statue lines? For example, you’ve mentioned that Lion-O’s outfit will be made of cloth…

Yes Lion-Os costume will be cloth. The cloth elements to my statues are sort of a love it/hate it element. I dont mind that because the people who love it really love it and you cant make everyone happy.

Q12) The statues are very large compared to what fans have seen before. How do collectors of the Premium Format statues typically store and display them?

These statues are usually the centerpieces of peoples collections. Many build custom cases for them. They are intended to not be out of place in a nice upscale home. I have Lion-O sitting in the center of my mantle right now and everyone who walks in immediately gravitates to it. Its 32" tall and has a fantastic presence.

Q13) Will you be revealing Lion-O at the San Diego Comic Con this year? Where can fans find you?

Yes ! Lion-O will be at SDCC. He will be featured prominently in the Sideshow booth. I dont know the booth number off hand but its huge and hard to miss.

Q14) Will the statues be shipped internationally, and could you ballpark shipping costs to Asia, Europe and Canada?

I dont actually sell direct so thats more a question for the retailers who are carrying it. I imagine some will ship internationally and some wont.

Q15) Any chance that Tigersharks and Silverhawks will be on offer if the ThunderCats line does well?

I would love love love to do both of those ! Obviously Thunder Cats is more popular than both of those so we are first going to see how sales go with Lion-O so we can better judge the expectations of Tigersharks and Silverhawks before moving forward.

Q16) Outside of the ThunderCats what else are you working on at the moment?

Lots of Street Fighter which I have been doing for almost 9 years now. Also, Darkstalkers and certain comic characters that ive always enjoyed such as David Mack’s Kabuki and Billy Tucci’s Shi. I have some new licenses but its a little too earlier to mention what they are.

By the way gang, looks like Lion-O’s limited edition statue will get light up eyes and a light up Eye of Thundera as a feature. I’ve been giving Jerry advice on what might make a nice bit of extras for the LE version.