Movie Club Week 8 - Home Alone

WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE EIGHTH DISCUSSION THREAD OF THE NEW MOVIE CLUB, DESIGNED TO RUN PARALLEL WITH R.O.C.K.S.
A big thanks to everyone that are joining us through all of this. It’s going to be an enjoyable ride!

As we’re nearing Christmas, we’re going with that festive classic “Home Alone”.

Remember any ideas for films to discuss are most welcome, and should be made on the Movie Club Introduction thread (the sticky one).

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My favourite Christmas movie. :smiley:

You can browse through any of the many “Best Christmas Movies of All Times” list and chances are you will find “Home Alone” listed right near the top with the likes of “Die Hard” and “It’s a Wonderful Life”. If you were a movie-watching kid in the 90s then you must have seen “Home Alone”, it was THAT popular! :slight_smile:

The thing about HA is that it really is a children’s movie with very little effort gone into making it appealing to adults, unlike many of the animated movies of today. So unless you are watching it through nostalgic rose-colored glasses, or with your children, you might not enjoy it as much.

I have seen the movie as a kid and as an adult and enjoyed it both times. The plot and characters are all quite simple and likeable. There are of course a lot of questions that people ask even today (like why didn’t Kevin call the police in the first place, why did he keep the front door unlocked) which could be classified as plot holes. This is why I feel that an adult watching “Home Alone” for the first time nowadays will probably be face-palming a lot. :wink:

These things don’t bother me too much, but I’m definitely not a fan of the whole slapstick comedy involving the various booby traps. That part is still a chore for me to get through. The funny thing is, even as a kid I found this part boring. Maybe I was a boring kid but the traps seemed a bit too cartoon-y to me even then. They become even more ridiculous and longer in the sequel, but that is a discussion for another day.

In all honesty, it really is Macaulay Culkin who carries the movie from start to finish, and he deserves full marks for that. Precocious kids in movies are almost always universally disliked (just ask poor Jake Lloyd), but Culkin manages to charm his way into the audience’s hearts.

John Williams music is perfect as always and really adds an amazing vulnerability and emotions to the movie. I think it is Williams’ music which keeps the movie grounded and prevent it from becoming a screwball comedy.

So whether you love the movie or hate it, you will surely feel “Christmas-y” after watching it. :slight_smile:

I really enjoy the comic slap stick Marv and Harry bring to the film but I love the characters and story building to the house battle scene.
There is so much going on. Kevin feeling helpless, left out, picked on by his older siblings, feeling childish. Then conquering his fears from going down to the spooky basement, to talking to old man Marley, to doing more mundane things like going food shopping and cooking for himself and his family seeing that his isn’t helpless like they thought.
Then of course Kate McAlister’s long journey to get home to her son where she meets John Candy’s character Gus. :smiley:

In Jake Lloyd’s case I don’t think it was him so much as the writing of the Anakin character in the movie people disliked. Culkin really was a huge star in the early 90’s. It’s a shame he stopped doing so many movies. Uncle Buck in which he starred with John Candy is another really good movie.

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Exactly, it was the other things that Kevin did (apart from the whole trap-building and setting) that I really enjoyed watching. At first he just rejoices and goes crazy, like any kid would, but then settles down and quickly matures in his thinking and becomes a bit more responsible. Him conquering his fears a big thing as he did it all alone and without anyone’s help. A lot of us can probably relate to the spooky basement as almost every kid as a certain part of the house that they are afraid to go into, especially at night. :slight_smile:

That really was all George Lucas’ fault. He just didn’t want to admit that he couldn’t write. He may be a good director and storyteller as well as having a great imagination, he couldn’t write decent dialogues even if his life depended on it. The romantic dialogues between Anakin and Padme in Episodes II and III are phenomenally bad! :eek

Yeah, Culkin was huge in the 90s, bigger than most adult stars! First the success of HA and its sequel and then his friendship with Michael Jackson. But I guess like many other child stars, he too was “cursed” and his success withered away as he grew older. The last movie I saw of him as a child actor was “Richie Rich”.

I believe it was his performance in that movie that was responsible for getting him cast in “Home Alone”.

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This is a classic, no two ways about it. It joined the ranks of festive classics very quickly and very deservedly. Not only does it have great action comedy for kids, it has a strong sense of family values. His mother is prepared to do whatever it takes to get back to him. When she says she’d sell her soul if she had to, you don’t doubt her for an instant.

Wilycub
, you are right about Culkin’s casting - I’ve just bought the DVD and they said in the interviews that they didn’t want him initially, they tried hundreds of other kids but realised that he was perfect for the part. Culkin is indeed pretty likeable in the lead. The only thing that doesn’t quite do it for me are the bits where he talks to the camera - “I made my family disappear!” he realises, and then, after remembering things they’ve said (refilmed to sound more malicious than they actually were, a nice touch), “I made my family disappear!” - the same words, but said in a completely different tone and with comical rapid eyebrow-raising. It’s not bad, but it’s one of those skills that even a good adult star has difficulty mastering. Remember my comments on Paul Lukas’ narration of 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea last week.

The way he comes to be left behind works. Doing the head count and this other boy happens to be there, he’s inserted into the scene well. And even we are distracted from Kevin’s absence by the fact that we don’t even see him wake up until after they’ve gone. The power lines coming down and causing them to miss their alarm is 100% believable, and it has the added bonus of taking the phone lines out of action for further isolation of the character. Incidentally, this may be the reason he doesn’t think of calling the cops straight away when he knows the burglars are coming for him.

The burglars, Harry and Marv, have a strong Laurel & Hardy influence. A friend of mine recently lent me some Laurel & Hardy DVDs, and one of their short, “Brats”, in which they play their own sons as well as themselves, is particularly noteworthy here for the high jinx they get up to with comically painful consequences. But the relationship between the two burglars is much the same - Marv is Laurel, Harry is Hardy.

The whole sequence of them trying to get into the house and then catch him is, of course, deliberately very cartoon-like. Specifically, Wile E. Coyote going after Road Runner, although here the Road Runner in the form of Kevin is not so passive! There’s been numerous memes about what would happen if these stunts were pulled in real life - ranging from ineffectual to lethal depending on the stunt, and it doesn’t matter a damn. These are highly experienced burglars getting comically trounced by an eight-year-old boy.

The point about John Williams’ music is well-made. A good score can make or break a film or show. The number of film scores nowadays that are basically the same and hard to tell apart - it’s like incidental music has become a forgotten art. Here is where we see the music bring the film to life. The comically hectic rushing around when they’ve slept in, the creepy moments where Kevin is genuinely frightened, even the carols - it all works.

One thing I never noticed before - when the rest of the family arrive at the end, it’s only Kevin’s half. His uncle, aunt and cousins are evidently still in Paris. This fits. He’s not their kid, why should their holiday be spoiled? Frank would reason like that. He is shown to be the worst of the bunch after all. Hell, even Buzz has a kind word to say to Kevin when they get back! Actually, watching the deleted scenes on the DVD, that reminds me, there’s a few scenes cut of the rest of the family in Paris that illustrate how they are feeling like it’s not right that they’re not all together.

They said in the interviews about this film the same things that the makers of Ghostbusters said. It’s one of those films where everything just came together. And in both cases they are absolutely right.

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Home Alone is a true classic. I remember watching it when it came out.

He did that in the sequel too, I believe, and also in the Michael Jackson video of “Black and White”.

And yet he was able to call and order a pizza. :wink:

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Yes, of course, he would have ordered the pizza by phone. Careless of me to forget that. And he does call the police later on in the middle of the Road Runner segment.

And he does indeed do the to camera bit in the sequel. I have just this minute come from watching the sequel (well, about half an hour ago but that’s quibbling), and he does it a little bit better there. Then again those extra 2yrs of experience might well have made the difference. I actually enjoyed the sequel tonight more than I’ve ever liked it before. Granted, I’ve not seen the sequel nearly as many times as the original, but still . . .

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Yeah the dialogue in the prequels and even The Force Awakens wasn’t very good. I read that Alec Guinness insisted on the dialogue for A New Hope being changed as he wasn’t pleased with it. The biggest problem with the prequels…regardless of what Lucas says (in different interviews) his intentions were (it’s gone from originally being all about Mace Windu, to all about Qui Gonn, to Obi Wan then all about Anakin/Darth Vader) no one wanted to see child Anakin from Tattoine having pod races, building C-3PO etc. They wanted to see the heroic jedi knight that was greatest star fighter pilot in the galaxy that would go on to betray the Jedi. A movie focussing on the Clone Wars and not so much on the fall of the Galactic Republic would have made a far more exciting movie like the originals.

It’s odd that we have brought up Star Wars discuss Home Alone as I associate the two of them together. The Christmas I really fell in love with this movie was also when I was really into Star Wars in the early/mid 90’s and got the Star Wars tapes on VHHS and was excited for the release of the new Kenner figures.

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I like the sequel. Whilst it does re-tread a lot of old ground there are still a lot of laughs in it. One of the funniest scenes in it is Kate and Peter in the police station and them saying about the ‘‘McCalister travel tradition…funnily enough we never seem to lose our luggage’’ and the look on the policeman’s face who doesn’t find it amusing. Tim Curry really stole the show in the sequel. :slight_smile:

Tim Curry steals almost every show he’s in. There are some awful movies out there that he almost manages to save. He played Cardinal Richelieu in the 1993 version of The Three Musketeers, one of the worst adaptions I’ve ever seen of Dumas, possibly the worst ever, and the film stank, but he was good in it. If they’d done a proper telling of the story . . . he would have been even better as a proper three-dimensional Cardinal Richelieu. Addams Family Reunion where he played Gomez . . . that film sucked bigtime, but he was still worth watching. Especially when that guy said, “I’d give my right arm to see you lose at something!” and he replied, perfectly seriously (but still hamming it up), “You’ve got a deal!”

I thought the 1993 Three Musketeers was rather enjoyable. Not as good as the Oliver Reed version but still rather fun.
The worst version of The Musketeers has to be the 2011 version with Orlando Bloom. Ninja Assassins and flying ships…need I say more.

That does sound dire. I haven’t seen it and can’t say I have any intention of changing that status. The Michael York-Oliver Reed-Frank-Finlay-Richard Chamberlain telling of the story in the 1970s will forever be the definitive version. It will absolutely never be beaten.

Oh, and I watched Home Alone 3 last night as well as 2. 3 was a little better the second time around, but it doesn’t have the charm of the original. The domestic situation is plausible enough, but against four opponents with a higher degree of intelligence and mental toughness? It’s not plausible. Even with the hi tech stuff. I’ll be watching 4 for the first time in the next day or so, I’ll add my thoughts then.

I saw the original in theaters when i was 8 5 times even on a field trip and dug it.