Lion-O vs MummRa - The Final Battle (Book of Omens)

I just rediscovered this scene and I have to say that I really enjoy it and caught so many things in it I never did before. Its filled with so much great lines by both Lion-O and Mumm-Ra. It was a great way to end the series..and the whole set up of it is classic, specially when the balck panther comes out of the insignia.

here it is in good quality:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rZC130_WnJo

discuss :slight_smile:

They should have made a Pyron figure:cool:

It was an awesome conclusion. Though I always felt a little lacking, call me cynical, but just saying “nah, mumm-ra can’t be beat, we’ll just have to kick has ass till the end of time” is a bit of a cop out. Not only that, but lion-o and mumm ra’s fist fight was a little lame, could have been a little more give and take.

That episode was so bad! Well the thing that ticks me off about it is that two main characters Tygra and Pumyra were left out. Seeing as it was the last episode I think they should have had a full cast.

Maybe Tygra was still being punished for wrecking the Feliner.

yeah, you would expect to have everyone there and possibly doing a little more as well. I know Lion-o was supposed to be the main-main character, but the thundercats had always adopted a “we like to involve” everyone story concept.

I don’t care for “Book of Omens” as a finale. For one thing, it’s clear to me that a future ThunderCats series was at least being thought about since “Book of Omens” is much too open-ended to really qualify as a finale; you can’t help but feel Mumm-Ra would return and have his butt kicked all over New Thundera by the Cats. I too don’t like Tygra and Pumyra being left out of the action, but there was nothing anybody could do about it at the time. And what’s this “you can’t defeat us all” comment from Mumm-Ra? What is he talking about? Will the Ancient Spirits of Evil join him and Ma-Mutt against Lion-O and Company? Is Mumm-Ra planning to free the Lunataks and the Mutants from Way Out Back so they too can set up shop on New Thundera? Or is Mumm-Ra only a part of something much bigger to be revealed later on? It wasn’t explained and I’ve heard no explanation since then. :?

I believe Mumm-Ra was refering to evil in general.

Hmph. I personally hated what Thundercats went to. New Thundera? New Thundercats? Ancient Spirits of Evil being tougher than Mumm-Ra? Mumm-Ra showing kindess to his dog? No Mutants? Come on now. It went from being a great cartoon with many great characters to being worthless. The cat coming out of the insignia really said it all - an attempt at updating and making it ‘new and improved’ failing thereby ending the show.

An idea with alot of substance and potential.

You didnt like Bengali, Pumyra, or Lynx-O? They were GREAT additions to the team.

Mumm-Ra’s power comes from them so logically they are more powerful.

Mumm-Ra shows kindness to evil…Mumm-Mutt is evil.

Just becuase they werent in the spotlight doesnt mean they dissapeared.

How the heck did the cat say that? I think that part was very powerful and majestic and is what makes the last episode classic.

Well going against the flow here, but I have to say, I didn’t much like the second season much myself. I’d have been much happier with the series ending on the last day and new Thundera never been invoked.

The second season of Tcats started off well and then it quickly got stupid. I like the new Thundercats but they used Lynx-O way too much.

New Thundera…they really screwed that up so badly. Here they had a chance with potential and they screwed it up by making stupid episodes like “The Frogman” wtf where they thinking? And another dumb one…“Screw loose”

I have to admit though, I do like the episodes that speak of Old Thundera’s past. Okay, you brought back Thundera because Mumm-ra screwed up the time line…yet you would think since he prevented Thundera from blowing up, wouldn’t that have prevented Thundercats from coming to Third Earth in the first place or atleast with the planet coming back, wouldn’t the buildings be back to normal instead of ruins?.. *queen lynxana quotes Austin Powers “Oh God I’ve went cross-eyed!”

Anyways, back on topic about the last ep, I feel it was rushed. Have you noticed that the Baleful swamp is on both Third Earth and New Thundera? *queen lynxana throws sarcasm here Lion-O nearly dies on Third Earth from it and yet Bengali was able to transform it back to a beautiful lake on New Thundera!

Just becuase they werent in the spotlight doesnt mean they dissapeared.

If I recall, weren’t they captured and taken to a prison of somekind in which they’d never escape? It wasn’t the same without the Mutants - in the Thundercats I remember, MummRa and the Mutants were always together although the Mutants always answered to MummRa (begrudglingly, might I add).

Mumm-Mutt is evil.

In one episode, he goes to the Thundercats and reveals Mumm-Ra’s plans through communication through a machine. That’s not a sign of evil - that’s a sign of good. I thought the entire idea of Mumm-Ra having an evil dog named after him was stupid but Mumm-Ra talking to the dog like an idiot really was lame. Mumm-Ra was something/someone to be feared, not to have sympathetic qualities.

An idea with alot of substance and potential.

How? It just simply moved the cartoon to another area - it’s like taking Batman out of Gotham City. The area is almost apart of the cartoon as the characters are - it was an attempt to freshen up the cartoon but it just took it’s identity away. When I think of Thundercats, I think of Third Earth and Thundera. New Thundera? No. Just doesn’t come into the equation.

You didnt like Bengali, Pumyra, or Lynx-O? They were GREAT additions to the team.

There were enough Thundercats as it was. And each of them were unique. The ‘new’ Thundercats just seemed to be thrown in with some rubbish storyline (“Oh, yeah, turns out there were other survivors. And they’ve been here all this time on Third Earth, the same place YOU landed on. Funny, that.”) and the idea was to save these new Thundercats. The whole idea of Thundercats was that Lion-O, Cheetara, Tygra, Snarf, Pantro and Wily-Kit and Wily-Kat were the only survivors of Thundera blowing up. I liked the movie, just hated the idea of there being four additional Thundercats who came out of nowhere.

Mumm-Ra’s power comes from them so logically they are more powerful.

No, I get that part. However, I don’t get them becoming a bigger character and making Mumm-Ra, ahem, “their *****” constantly. The show turned Mumm-Ra from the most feared character that’s ever existed in cartoons to some pawn answering to statues. Just really demeaned Mumm-Ra and the whole show and the way Mumm-Ra was built up.

How the heck did the cat say that? I think that part was very powerful and majestic and is what makes the last episode classic.

Because it was by the far the worst thing Thundercats could have done - were they trying to suggest that the insignia had a living cat inside of it that came to life and unfroze time? Really? It was ridiculous and really unbelivable - even for a cartoon.

That is my opinion, though. I love Thundercats, but I hated how it slowly turned into some fresh ‘lets see what we can change next’ cartoon show - just like Tom & Jerry ended up, Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes, Pinky and the Brain, Thomas the Tank Engine and all of these wonderful unique cartoons tha turned into ‘bubblegum’ rubbish. And that’s what dominates UK childrens television these days - and they wonder why people complain. Thundercats, as much as it was my favourite cartoon ever, just turned into all of those shows. People in charge wanting changes and really ridiculous things being produced as a result.

:thumbsdown: Yeah I hated how they took Pumyra & Tygra out. I guess problems would have been solved quicker w/ Tygra around, :stuck_out_tongue:

ha maybe not - he’d probably go off and snort some lines of ThunderCrack or something :tygra::duh:

I won’t quote nickmills post as it’s too long. However it pretty much sums up my sentiments on the last season as well. You hit the nail on the head there my friend. Except for the insignia thing in the last episode, I didn’t think that was so bad.