I am not a fan of the Nolan Batman movies. Yes he kept the back story Bruce’s parents being killed but that is about it.
The problem with the Nolan movies is that aside from some character names and the Batman suit there is very little else that makes it a Batman movie.
I liked the 2011 series well enough but personally I found the writing of the series very hit and miss. There was some great episodes but far to much filler that was either predictable or boring and added nothing to the story arc or the characters.
The pilot and opening episode did a lot of damage to the series. I think that really turned a lot of viewers away.
Exactly how I felt about the Batman movies. If you ask me, I liked the Tim Burton’s films much better (and they still got a little away from Batman’s culture). Nolan’s films didn’t get any Batman in them, besidess you said, some characters’ names.
If the characters were not called the Batman character names and Batman wasn’t wearing his costume it could easily have been another film.
Much like the 2011 Thundercats series. If the characters had different names and there looks slightly changed there is very little that make it Thundercats.
They tried to make the 2011 Thundercats far too much like Avatrar with influences from other popular movies and TV shows…and failed because they didn’t take enough influence from the main inspiration source the original Thundercats series.
I loved the Nolan Batman films and I’m a big fan of the Burton films as well. I am familiar with the criticism about Nolan’s films being too different. While I partially agree with that, the thing is Nolan really muted out much of the comic book superhero stuff and tried to ground his movies in more reality. Trying to make things more practical and less showy. Like if these characters existed in real life they wouldn’t need to dress in specific cosplay-like costumes.
But even then, the core of Batman is still the same. He is still the milionnaire playboy son of the Wayne’s who were killed when he was very young. He still decides to use the image of the bat for himself when he becomes a vigilante who hunts down criminals. He still resides in Gotham. etc The 2011 Thundercats does not retain the core of the original series. Its a completely different story about completely different characters in completely different settings. Its like if Nolan had made Gotham into a distant planet, Batman into a bratty kid, the Joker into Batman’s older brother, chopped off Robin’s hands, and kept the Wayne’s alive. ThHen it would have been comparable to the 2011 series. :biggrin
For me the worst thing about the 2011 series were the numerous filler episodes. When only 1 episode is being broadcast a week, it really shouldn’t be about unnecessary characters or full of flashbacks. That was a real bummer.
I don’t think the fandom kis dying I just think the fandom doesn’t really ave anything to talk abut much anymore due to them not making anything new for the series since the remake. Maybe they could make a comic series that isn’t dark and edgy like the ones they’d made so far, I know a live action series would be rather disturbing. I don’t really know what else to say about it. Me personally I got into the series last year and while I still love it I don’t have much to discuss about it lately which is why I’m not very active on here anymore.
First of all, the Nolan Batman movies are very true to the core of that character, and get to the core of that character unlike any other Batman films to date, and I love the Burton films so much. His world is grounded in reality, but he adapted much more straight from the comics than Burton ever did. His Batman is the detective. His Batman is the human. His movies are one way to adapt something successfully. Not the only way, but it was a brilliant approach for the superhero without super powers.
The TransFormers movies, on the other hand, are the great example of shitting all over everything. Outside of Optimus and his voice, nothing is the same other than the labels. To compare the Nolan Batman movies to them in both adaptation and quality would be a complete joke. I think you have to realize even when things aren’t exactly as you had imagined them, if they are well done you give your hats off to it. Nolan did care, he did read the source material, and he produced something he hoped would be loved by the fans and I think in general it definitely was. The TF movies are neither good quality nor a good adaptation and hopefully we would never have to suffer through something like that. It has left the TF fandom wandering in the woods for good fiction despite all the attention and popularity of the brand. It’s just as maddening as our situation, really.
The show did not have filler episodes, it was establishing a world and the characters. Once again, if allowed to continue, all of that would have paid off. They were working under they assumption they would surely get more than 18 episodes being a flagship promotion for CN and WB. It is still a bit mystifying how it didn’t happen. The ratings were not bad. CN is very strange sometimes. I think it is likely there is a power struggle there and some politics we are not yet aware of.
whether reboot/remake/reimagining, it all comes down to the individual on whether the new series connects to the viewer, or not; and whether the new show still retains the spirit of the original.
Some will agree…others will not.
Now all we can hope is a new…tv/movie/novels/anything comes soon.
Nolan’s Batman movies do Batman no justice. The first to are okay, again not good Batman movies but pretty good action, spy type movies. Dark Knight Rises was a bit of a mess with plot holes etc.
The 2011 series had 26 episodes not 18.
Everyone’s opinion on what is a filler or boring and pointless episode will differ. But as far as filler episodes go I would list the following:
Ramlak Rising
Song of the Petalars
Legacy (good enough episode but does nothing for the overall story and is just a flashback)
The Duelist and the Drifter (exciting enough but pointless as Lion-O learns great swordsman skills yet never uses them again in the series)
Berbils
The Forest of Magi Oar
Survival of the Fittest (good enough episode but does nothing for the overall story and is just a flashback)
Birth of the Blades (good enough episode but does nothing for the overall story and is just a flashback)
The Forever Bag
Recipe for Disaster
The Soul Sever
it comes down to how someone views those episodes.
where some will see them as pointless and filler, others see them as part world/myth building/part parable/fable tale
like Ramlak Rising: the dangers of obsessions and how they can cloud one’s mind and what is truly important
songs of the Petalars: living life in the moment and persevering even if all seems against you
the original did the same thing; meet a new denizen of the planet, Lion-O learns a new aspect of how to be a better leader, etc.
Some of you people are a bunch of lightweighted nostalgia babies, I said it before and I’ll said it again, so what if reboot doesn’t heavily connected with the original! That’s your problem, not the people who worked on it. Sure it has a few flaws, but it’s still a great series. It’s time to move on and contributed both series, and pray for a continuation in at least comic form before WB start fresh for the franchise. Sonic, Buffy , X-files, and Buffy are good examples.
Here you go again. I thought by now you’d gotten over this. Dude, you’re not going to change minds and insulting people won’t help your case either. Calm down.
The original consisted of mostly stand-alone episode which were connected very loosely. They did not follow a single strong story arc like the new series. The original was not made with that intention. So it was okay to have many episodes teaching young kids good morals and lessons (like what MOTU did). After the Thundercats settled on Third Earth, they were not searching for something valuable or in a race against time. So they could have all sorts of stories in their episodes without any need for continuity or forwarding the story.
The 2011 series was different. It wasn’t targeted at little kids. It had a strong central story arc that connected all the episodes. The Thundercats are searching for the power stones and have to get them before Mumm-Ra does. So any episode which is just focused on teaching a moral or developing a character is a filler episode by my definition. I feel there was no need to devote an entire episode to a magical bag or to the Kittens’ backstory or to a bunch of little flower people or a snake-oil salesman. Some of those things could have easily been included in another episode which actually forwards the main story. Instead they decided to “pause” the main story just so that viewers can learn about those things.
If a good number of the 2011 series episodes were just focused on teaching morals and good lessons to kids then they are no better or more mature than the 80s cartoons.
You are the baby because you cry every time you can’t continue a discussion and just because everyone doesn’t agree with you. Waa Waa, 2011 series is the best Waaa Waa! :cry We here discuss the shows and praise and criticize them. We don’t call other members names like little kids which you clearly are. You’d better behave yourself kid!
The show which you consider “so great” was cancelled after just one season. Deal with it! And there is NEVER going to be a second season or a comic continuation or anything else about the 2011 Thundercats EVER!!! So suck it up like a man instead of whining like a baby. Just making pointless noise isn’t going to help either. Either grow up or shut up!
Well actually it is the fault of the people who worked on the show. They were given a job to do and failed at it.
Reboots want the nostalgia of the original as there are certain things that make shows and character recognisable and sadly that is what the 2011 series lacked.
I highly doubt WB will ever do anything with the 2011 series as it was pretty much a failure on all levels critically and financially.
This! I have exactly the same opinion. There was a lot of stuff that could have just been included in episodes instead of having full episodes dedicated to them. In fact a lot of it could even have been better explained in the pilot which was very boring and confusing.
If a show is going to have a big story arc nearly 50% of the episodes can’t be stand alone/filler episodes. Nor can the be pointless episodes trying to be tributes to various other films and TV shows.
As for the story arc it starts with a big quest to find a book, which they find in the 4th or 5th episode then after that they are looking for power stones.
A lot of the criticism of the 80’s cartoon was that it had too much of Lion-O saving the day. The 2011 series is pretty much all about Lion-O! Although considering how boring and unlikeable the other characters were I guess the writers didn’t have much choice than to focus on the ‘hero’ of the series. People can say what they want about the 80’s show, anyone of the characters could have been the main focus of an episode. For the majority of the 2011 series a lot of the other characters are just there and do very little. After the first few episodes Cheetara is just there and speaks one or two lines in each episode. Once Panthro got his robotic arms he just became comic relief.
I think I made a very lengthy post on another forums about why I disliked the show and gaven an indepth reason for it. For the most part my post was ignored. Ah well. But you are right about cheetara. She never did get any story centered on her in the new series and she did have quite a few in the original where she wound up saving everyone. It’s a bit sad really.
In the 2011 series there was a flashback of her wanting to join the clerics and learning to be patient. That was about her only moment in the series and after that she was just there and made no difference tot he group or plot.