Insights on the ThunderCats / SilverHawks soundtrack from a Rankin & Bass staffer (Steven Gruskin)

I had the chance to correspond recently with Steven Gruskin, a professional TV and Sound Producer who is also a former Soundtrack Producer for Rankin Bass during the ThunderCats, SilverHawks and The Comic Strip era.

I asked him about what his job entailed during his time at R & B, and here is what he had to say:


I was hired by Rankin Bass to be the soundtrack producer for SilverHawks, but the two audio teams (ThunderCats and SilverHawks) worked closely together as the second season (65 eps) of TCats was produced as the same time as the first season of SilverHawks. We all also stayed on for The Comic Strip once Tcats and SHawks finished. I mostly finished SilverHawks episodes and Tony Giovanelli did more TCats but we did switch off a fair amount, especially for the recording sessions, and helped each other out a lot. We had a shared office and dub room and two production studios with mono, 2 track and 4 track tape machines, and we worked interchangeably. The soundtrack directors would receive the scripts from the writing dept (Peter Lawrence) and we would direct the talent for the recording sessions. The next step was to edit the voice recording. It was recorded onto two mono reel to reel tape machines (a master and safety). The soundtrack director (Matthew Malach, Tony G or me) would mark up the script with best takes and what we called action timings. So if there was a paragraph that explained a certain action, we would decide how many seconds to leave, and the editor would put timing leader of that length in. At the end of the first cut, we would listen down, look at the timings and make cuts or additions to get it to the correct program cut time. Once we were done we would send it to the office for approval, Lee Dannacher would sometimes send back notes (i.e. add 2 seconds here, take out this line) and then we would finish the cut.

We would also work with the voice actors to come up with voices for the secondary characters — especially during the second season when many new small part characters were introduced. One of the character designers, Jim Meskimen, ended up doing many of those voices and went on to have a great career as a voice over (and on-screen) actor.

Once the tape was cut and final, we would copy it onto one track of a 24 track tape that was striped with 60 cycle sync on trk 24. Remember, this was before SMPTE time code could be used to sync audio and video. A dub of the final voice and 60 cycle sync track would be made onto a special machine called a Nagra and that tape would go to the animators as the master for the show. They would transfer it to a film stripe and read that for mouth movements and animation timings.

While the animators were working on the picture, we would lay music onto the 24 track tape based on the action timings. We would usually use 3 stereo pairs to lay in the music and some sfx. The animators would spot the other sfx and those came back with the final picture. We would do a mix of the voice and music tracks, adding voice efx as necessary. Everything was done manually including “winging” in the music by starting the playback machines at exactly the right moment so the music would sync to the voices the way we wanted. When this process was done we would do a bounce mix onto 4 tracks of the 24 trk, — mono voice, 2 trk stereo music, and mono efx. This would get transferred to another tape on the Nagra along with the 60 cycle sync tone and get sent to the animators, as well as used for the final mix which married the picture and soundtrack. We would sometimes have to make changes to the music to adjust for the animation when the final picture came back.

One of us would supervise the final mix to picture, and then the program was mastered in California for broadcast.

The thing with animation, is that all of the life is in the soundtrack. Even though the picture gets the most attention, and stylistically will vary a lot, the heart and soul of a cartoon is in the soundtrack. If the track is bad the cartoon will suck no matter how great the animation is. The audio team on ThunderCats was top notch, and you can hear it in the shows. I’m really proud to have been part of that group and I’m still in touch with several of the people I worked with on those series.

And that’s what we did in the audio studio. There were two production teams of a producer and engineer (engineers were Larry Franke and Michael Ungar), an assistant (the unforgettable John Crenshaw) and an assistant. It was a great time. We had a lot of the toys in the studio and it was a very fun environment. The cast was great and the recording sessions were a lot of fun.

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This is an extraordinary piece of info you shared, Grizzlor. Thank you. :slight_smile:

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Very fascinating insight indeed. Speaking as someone who compiles CDs, I know exactly what they mean when they talk about the length of pause sometimes being an issue. I’m currently working on one where there have been some pauses too short and others too long . . . it’s such an unnecessary headache!

Very interesting piece.

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Indeed. :3

Great stuff. Thanks Mark!

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Thanks for sharing!!

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Great post, Grizzlor! I especially love that line about “The thing with animation, is that all of the life is in the soundtrack. Even though the picture gets the most attention, and stylistically will vary a lot, the heart and soul of a cartoon is in the soundtrack. If the track is bad the cartoon will suck no matter how great the animation is.”

Outside of the classics like Merry Melodies, The Flintstones, (etc.) nothing could ring truer for those shows that have stuck with us from the 80’s & 90’s. Whether it’s Bernard Hoffer’s work on Thundercats, Ron Jones’ work on Ducktales, Shuki Levy on Real Ghostbusters or X-Men the Animated Series or Shirley Walker on BatmanTAS…all the greats have great soundtracks! SilverHawks, though I still love the character design of the main cast, is admittedly an awful show in terms of it’s redundancy & writing. However, that theme song & some of the backing tracks/cues retained a magic that seemed to be the norm for many of the animated shows of it’s day. It’s part of what keeps me going back to it.
Such depth & TLC were poured into them & I think it’s why the series soundtracks are so highly sought after to this day. I’ve been campaigning for an official release of Ducktales’ score since 2003. Hopefully with the rebooted series in 2017, that’ll reach fruition. (and hopefully they’re smart enough to hire Ron Jones again or reuse his score)

Anyway, thanks for posting!

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Fantastic post, Mark! :thumbsup It’s always so difficult to know about the technical aspects and behind-the-scenes happenings of old shows like ThunderCats because there was no internet or Facebook or Twitter back in those days to chronicle the process.

It’s so interesting to learn how all the sound recording and mixing was done manually back in the 80s. The whole process sounds like a lot of hard work and does require a great deal of skill in the field. Nowadays, thanks to computers, much of the work can be done with just a few clicks. While that speeds up the process, I feel that it results in very little emotional connection developing between the crew and the work. Mr. Gruskin’s response is so full of nostalgia and many good memories of the time when he worked on the Rankin/Bass shows. Imagine if someone were to interview the soundtrack producer of any of the current animated shows after 30 years. It would probably be something like, “I opened the audio file in my software, copy and pasted a few tracks and it was done”. :wink:

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Agreed on the soundtrack being the heart of anything animated.
All my favourite shows, Visionaries, Defenders Of The Earth, The Legend Of Prince Valiant, I remember the incidental music with great fondness. Even one or two lesser shows have been lifted by the quality of the music.

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Classic cartoon soundtracks can definitely stick with you.

No question. It’s why 5yrs ago (this month if I recall), when I looked up the title theme to “King Arthur And The Knights Of Justice”, I went from “I vaguely remember a couple of episodes of this” to “I have got to see this show again” in the space of a minute. I looked up the opening episodes, which I had never seen as a kid, and was not impressed. I carried on only because I knew there were some decent episodes down the line. The show is hit and miss, but I give it a bit more leeway than it might normally deserve because the music is so excellent.

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I am not a big fan of King Arthur and the Knights of Justice, but it is a far better show than Silverhawks. Some shows regardless of voice actors and how well the animation and soundtrack are still cannot make a show that has an awful concept any good. Silverhawks and Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors are prime examples of this.

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Agreed. I watched the first three episodes of Silverhawks last year, and still haven’t found the enthusiasm to watch any more. It probably doesn’t help that I never saw it as a kid and as such have no nostalgic memories to cling to. That said, Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors I did see as a kid, and I watched the opening episode again about 3yrs back. I wasn’t impressed in the slightest, and haven’t bothered watching any more of that either. From what I can remember of it, the premise seemed to be Star Wars meets The Day Of The Triffids. Good theme tune though.

As for King Arthur And The Knights Of Justice - yes, the opening two-parter, while technically doing all that is required of a pilot, is somewhat flat and iffy. The concept of the show is basically “A Connecticut Yankee In The Court Of King Arthur” meets “The Prisoner Of Zenda”, and requires a bit of suspension of disbelief. If I hadn’t known there were good episodes down the line, I wouldn’t have made it past the pilot. But there are good ones, not many, but a few, specifically “Assault On Castle Morgana”, “The Warlord Knight”, “To Save A Squire” and “Viper’s Phantom”.

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I must look up some of those episodes of KAATKOJ.
I doubt seeing Silverhawks when we were younger would have made any difference. As much as I love Thundercats I can admit the writing of the second half of the series is no where near the level of the first half.
Joe Hisaishi’s musical work on the studio Ghibli movies is also stunning.

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“The Warlord Knight” was the first episode I saw. So I didn’t entirely understand the situation, but I figured it out from the title sequence in subsequent episodes!

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Assault on Castle Morgana sounds a good episode.

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I reviewed it in the thread on Snarf. It’s pretty good.
As a BraveStarr fan, you might find “Quest For Courage” interesting in that it’s reminiscent of “Showdown At Sawtooth”. It does have one very noteworthy point of difference from equivalent plot points in other series, but that aside I’m not a fan of the episode. Possibly because it’s next after “Assault On Castle Morgana” and has a very similar kind of moral to it, but not as good.

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Must check it out. Didn’t get chance to watch any of KAATKOJ last night. I watched A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. :smiley:

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