An update to the cancellation rumors from Dan...

Is it really accurate to call Tygra a “bad boy” when one of the things he prided himself on was being the good, responsible son Claudus wanted? He’s like this weird mix of both, and I guess that contributes towards Tygra looking like a Sue. But you have to keep in mind that despite Tygra supposedly being rewarded for his bad behavior, he is by far the most insecure member of the team. Lion-O may act out at times, but he usually gets over it. Tygra is really quite troubled, and deep down has a lot more difficulty finding happiness in his life. He’s hardly satisfied with what he has. If he was, he wouldn’t try so hard to become better or brag.

It’s really quite pitiable. Tygra has likely spent most of his life striving for this vague goal of proving himself that he is the absolute best, that he deserves to be loved and admired because he earned it with hard work. He wanted the people to see he would have made the better king. The problem with this though is that it’s only for selfish reasons. Tygra didn’t want to be king because he wanted to lead Thundera to peace and propsperity; he wanted to be king only to satisfy his own ego, because if he was king it would be proof he was the best. He didn’t have any sort of goal or vision beyond that, becoming king is a goal in of itself, not a means to an end. With that in mind, Tygra is definitely not an ideal person. His life has mostly been driven by bitter jealousy, meaningless ambition, and extreme pride. This may have resulted in him becoming a great athlete and warrior (and possibly tactician), but non of that really means a whole lot when the only reason he’s gained these strengths is to prove that he’s better. He uses what he’s earned for selfish reasons, and rarely puts them to use helping others, unless he’s told to. In the end, if Tygra were to look back on his life, he’d realize just how little he’s accomplished in his life, and just how meaningless his ambition has been. Sure, he has Cheetara, but he has to realize she doesn’t love him for anything his ambition brought him.

I do agree it would be nice if Tygra gets called out on his prejudice, especially by Cheetara. It would give some good character development for the both of them. His racism is eventually going to get in the way of Lion-O’s goals, and Tygra will need to change his attitude or get kicked out. It might be something to include in the fan comic. If there was a season 2, it might have been something they would have addressed. Yeah, it really bugs people that Tygra never really got punished for the bad stuff he did.

As for Lion-O, yes he shoulders the burden and the consequences and seems to run into failure a lot. But in the end, he’s still the better person, regardless of how his skills or successes compare to Tygra. He’s fighting for something other than himself, he is compassionate and selfless. Maybe he doesn’t have romantic love right now, but he’s gained the admiration and respect of so many others already. And honestly, unlike Tygra, Lion-O can handle failure. Lion-O is a well balanced guy, and he’ll pick himself back up and not beat himself up about it for too long. By the end of the series, he has good control over his own pride. Lion-O isn’t afraid of his own weakness like Tygra is. He can accept it, and improve upon it while relying on his other strengths. Tygra is like Iron Man, Lion-O is like Captain America. Sure, Tony looks a lot more slick and stylish, and has the cool armor and weapons and gadgets, money and power, but when you get down to it, Steve is the person you really admire.

Let’s consider a hypothetical situation; what if Tygra had faced the same trials Lion-O had faced in the Spirit Stone? it’s definitely possible he may have passed, but given Tygra’s personality, he may not have passed even the first. If we can agree that Tygra’s main flaw is pride, then I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch that he wouldn’t consider the alternative methods Lion-O had to use to pass. Instead of using his nose, he may have stubbornly tried to chase after Kit and Kat with sight alone. He may have insisted on using his intellect to solve Cheetara’s maze, and prove his physical strength to Panthro. He probably would have beaten Lion-O at the tree race again, but that’s assuming that trial was winnable. If he hadn’t won, Tygra may have just gotten angry and demanded Jaga bring him back to life, rather than considering giving up his own soul.

I have said this before, but Lion-O is better than Tygra in ways outside of strength, intelligence, and skill. Lion-O is at his best when he thinks outside the box, and uses his heart. Tygra is too stubborn to realize when he’s wrong and needs to change. Heck, he’s been tossed around more than once by his own whip and never seems to learn to let go. I think Tygra failing to get the sword back after Lion-O died was meant to show this, but I guess it may not have been obvious enough. In the end, Tygra really doesn’t have much to show for all he’s striven to become, save for a bad relationship with his brother. Maybe Cheetara, but she wasn’t impressed by any of that ambition. She still needs to call him out on his BS though. I think a big problem though is that fans don’t see this. All they see is Tygra winning and Lion-O losing, without considering what’s really important. If Tygra had been the one to lead them, they probably would have failed a long time ago, because Tygra wouldn’t be able to befriend the other races, and be too stubborn to get help when he needs it, and lack the foresight for long term goals.

And the difference between the fandom’s preference between Lion-O and Tygra is hardly new. Just look at Wolverine and Cyclops from X-Men. You have the popular anti-hero Logan, and the responsible not as popular good guy Scott. Most prefer Logan because he’s cool and badass and lives free and doesn’t listen to rules, but if these characters were actual people, you’d probably feel much safer around Scott, because (as far as I can tell) he’s a fairly stable guy who won’t lose his temper and wreck stuff up.

Tygra is not like Wolverine. Wolverine (Lion-O also) continues his honor eventhough of pain. He has lost everything in life, he does not complain or cries for their losses. He often makes mistakes. Never gets girl or his ex tries to kill him.:cool:

Wolverine is popular because he has suffered a lot and keep going without complaint. He looks like a real person.

Tygra looks like Cyclops, he always been the best student, he always gotten what he wants, is an orphan:thumbsup:, he is perfect:rolleyes:, he got the girl that Wolverine/Lion-O wants.

Tygra was raised to be a leader;). Always follow the rules (Lion-O is a rebel).

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[li]Lion-O is Wolverine. The black sheep / The bad boy. He is forced to think about other people.[/li][li]Cyclops is Tygra. The good guy / The pedant / The perfect guy, he thinks he deserves to get everything he has worked, even though life is not always fair and you do not get what you want.[/li][/ul]

At first most people, especially children, chose Cyclops. Over time people preferred Wolverine.

Lion-O often loses his temper, the reason why Cheetara leaves him :sneaky:.
Cyclops is taller than Wolverine … :D.
By the way, Lion-O has the harder steel claws of their world :eek:.
Wolverine / Kitty Pryde - Lion-O / Wily Kit :eek:.

As much as my (NS) Lion-O-loving heart hurts a little reading this, this doesn’t surprise me in the least, but I don’t really think that fact should be seen as a warning. A majority of fans preferring Tygra over Lion-O just hearkens back to a typical fandom quirk: the anti-hero, jerk(-ish) or bad guy/boy characters tend to be favored more over than good guy/hero characters. This happens in many fandoms. In Avatar: the Last Airbender, Zuko was more popular than Aang; in the Legend of Korra, Tahno was more popular than Mako and Bolin combined; Tony DiNozzo is the most popular character in the NCIS fandom, and Jack Sparrow was the most popular character of the cast of the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, etc. Like Gold Lion said, these types of characters may not be people you would want trust in or be around if they were real, but since they’re not real, people feel like it’s fine to like them because they’re cool, badass, or don’t follow the status quo of society.

Speaking of Gold Lion…you wrote a GREAT post! :thumbsup: You articulately wrote everything I wanted to say and felt about Tygra and Lion-O.
Well done. :slight_smile:

Also, I sort of agree with EyesWideOpen. I do think Tygra is somewhat of Karma Houdini and that might play into why kids might prefer him over Lion-O as they want reassurance they could escape consequences of their own actions.

Well at least folks in the cartoon network forums are still talking about the cats. Thats a good thing.

^That’s true. A small blessing, I guess.

In a few days time Powercon/Thundercon is on. With any luck CN/WB or Bandai will make an announcement to confirm the fate of the NS and toyline. If they don’t make an announcement there and still remain silent I guess we can all agree 100% the new show and toyline is finished.

They won’t bother. Fans are ignorant nerds for those men with ties.

Hopefully WB sell the license to Disney then they put ThunderCats on Disney XD…hopefully that will maximize the franchise potential!

As much as I want that to happen, it won’t. ThunderCats is strictly a Warner Bros. brand.

You dont know that. They tried and FAILED. Are they just gonna keep it to try and fail again or “be smart” and hopefully sell it and gain some money.

ah, but you miss a very important thing here. parent companies would much rather hang on to a property that they think could POTENTIALLY make money down the road, regardless of how bad it may have flopped in recent times.

and any immediate money they would gain by selling the brand pales in comparison to future earnings they may get if they hang onto the brand

Mattel didnt sell off the MOTU franchise after it the 200x line tanked, cause they knew the potential future earnings were big, and they were right

That is most certainly true. “Transformers: Animated,” originally a Hasbro/Cartoon Network joint venture, now airs on The Hub, I hear.

And you miss to see the point that they might think they wont make money down the road. First show was amazing, new show failed very hard them.

With todays people, i would not be surprised if they sold it and quickly tried something else.

I bet Jaga’s helmet that no official announcements or toy reveals will take place in the convention.

Just some special guests that also have no idea what’s going on or they are not allowed to discuss any details.

For Mattel this convention is serious business, while for WB/Bandai it’s a nerdy mess that none gives a damn about.

You do have a point! I would really start to dislike WB if they didn’t sell the license just because they were afraid another company would really profit from it!

From a fan perspective this bites but this is a business PR move for WB/Bandai to keep fans in suspense knowing good and well they would rather let this property rot…but ultimately it’s the loyal fans that care more than WB!