1985 Vs. 2011: Character Comparisons

We’re only 6 episodes into the Reboot series, so it might be a little soon to do this, but which version of each character do you like more? The old or the new?

My answers:

Lion-O = The 1985 version. We don’t know where the 2011 version is going to end up yet, so it might be too soon to judge. However, in an age where character development was limited due to a self contained episodic approach to the series, Lion-O changed a lot from episode 1 to 130. At the start, he’s a man child: A 12 year old’s mind trapped within the body of a full grown adult, expected to lead his people into a new age following the destruction of their society. Its an awful lot of responsibility and Lion-O has trouble adjusting at first. He makes rash & down right boneheaded decisions, but ultimately grows & matures. By the end of the series, he is the perfect leader & the right choice to lead his people as he rebuilds his lost society, conquers his fears, & earns the trust of all his allies & friends.

The new Lion-O goes through the same things and quite honestly, the two are very similar in a lot of ways. I will say this Lion-O learned compassion much more quickly (its almost like a natural trait to him actually) than the old, whose arrogance got in the way of making better decisions at times. However, the old Lion-O, for all his dependence on the Sword of Omens, the Annointment Trials showed us that it really is Lion-O that makes him who he is and not the Sword. In the 2011, we still don’t know if its Lion-O or the Sword making him look good. Again, a lot of unanswered questions are there, but as it stands for the moment, I am going to pick the 85 version as my favorite. And hey, Will Friedie has been a really good voice, but he’s no Larry Kenney, lol.

Tygra = I am actually going to go ahead and pick the 2011 version. Unlike Lion-O, I feel both versions of Tygra are very different. I feel the new version has a more interesting dramatic element by being Lion-O’s adopted & seemingly superior brother. His relationship with Grune also creates interesting possibilities for the future. Yes, he’s a bit of a jerk, but he’s loyal & trustworthy in spite of whatever problems he has with Lion-O, and I think that will shine throughout the series.

The old version was a bit of a stiff. He was Mr. Rulebook to the point of being a nerd. Its sort of the Leonardo from TMNT dilemma. How can the guy with the coolest weapon be the biggest stick in the mud of the group, lol? One of my favorite unintentionally funny moments from the series was Tygra reacting to Cheetara’s joke about The Mutants not following the rules with the most over the top speech about following the rules that I’ve ever heard (Slaves of Castle Plun-Darr). Its really funny. Now the interesting part of having him be such a square is the fact that his falls from grace are more extreme (Garden of Delights, Crystal Canyon), but I think this Tygra has more potential to be a more well rounded & deep character.

Panthro = This one is actually kind of tough since they are almost the same. Both are the bad ass fighters of the group with immense strength, a wealth of experience, & the technical know how to run things in the science department. One trait that has also stayed the same is that despite a rough exterior, he also has more of a best buddy big brother type of personality. In the old show, I felt that led to him being better friends with Lion-O than say Tygra. It was also nice to see Panthro sort of pal around with the Thunderkittens & Snarf. The new version, even at this early stage, seems to be going in that direction as we saw in the last episode as he hung around with the Kittens & really lightened up towards Lion-O & the others.

I also have to say that Panthro is my favorite Thundercat in both versions, and they both won me over very quickly. With the old version, when I heard him say lines like “If you guys were as mean as you are ugly, then maybe you’d be trouble!” and “I’ll loosen your bones for you!” and throw Mutants around like nobody’s business, I was like “BEST T-CAT! RIGHT THERE!”. And in the new show, I still think Panthro’s intro is the best fan moment they’ve done on the show so far. It was SOOOOOOO awesome.

So really, picking a favorite is really tough, but I am going to lean towards the 1985 version, the main contributing factor being Earle Hyman’s wonderful voice that ranks right up there with Earl Hammond’s Mumm-Ra as my favorite voice in all of Thundercats. A small thing, I know, but both versions of the character are immensely fun and my favorite T-Cat to watch (and yes, Keith Michael Richardson’s voice is good too).

Cheetara = Like Lion-O, this one might be a little tough to judge this soon into the 2011 series, maybe even more so. Cheetara is still a bit of a mystery in the 2011 series. She is dealing with a lot of the same losses & problems that Tygra & Lion-O are enduring, but she isn’t expressing it. Whether or not that is by design I don’t know. All we know is that she is/was one of Jaga’s Clerics and possesses great (possibly still unknown) powers & abilities because of it. She is sort of the emotional rock of the group. While Tygra & Lion-O wear their hearts on their sleeves, Cheetara is there to provide a level head and calm everything down.

However, as it stands now, I actually like the 1985 Cheetara more. She had that strength to her, and it worked in many ways. She was very much a motherly & loving figure at times, and also provided a female perspective on situations, something none of the other adult T-Cats could offer (Excalibur is a great example). Also, she dealt with major problems & personal issues, mostly dealing with how to control her Sixth Sense, which I felt provided some of the best episodes in the original series (Sixth Sense, Telepathy Beam, etc).

The Thunderkittens = This one is an easy choice for me. Right now, I have to go with the 2011 versions. The original Thunderkittens were, well, kind of annoying. They were the dumb kids that caused trouble because they were too dumb to have common sense. They felt more like an excuse to tell stories that were dumbed down for kids (Runaways is the best example) rather than actual characters. They weren’t completely useless or anything, but you can only do so much with the “we’re sick of staying home” or “lets runaway because nobody wants us around” type of stories before it becomes annoying. The one thing I did like was the relationship between them which was a very realistic brother/sister bonding.

The new versions, even with the little we know. grew up in a life of poverty as orphans and had to carve work together to survive. This brings an element of “street smarts” to the Thundercat team, which paid off in the last episode with the Key trap. They are also tainted with an understandable trait of greed, which makes them imperfect, but not in the “oh they’re just kids being kids” kind of way. And I have to say, they have been a nice source of comedy in the new series. In all the rebirths of these characters, I think the Thunderkittens have been the greatest improvement over the new series thus far.

Snarf = This one is actually tougher than it might seem. Why? Well, I ACTUALLY LIKE SNARF!!! A lot of fans thought the old Snarf was annoying, and maybe its true, but being a bit of a nerd with a high pitched voice myself, I always took a liking to Snarf. He didn’t have the physical skills of the T-Cats, but he had all the heart, and wanted to help as much as he could. And he had a role to play. He took care of the Lair, cooked, cleaned, and everything else. He contributed to the team in a positive albeit unglamorous way. That said, there were many problems to Snarf as well, most notably of which is the “Snarfs are immune to EVERYTHING” plot device that they used all throughout Season 2, which got very annoying.

This new Snarf…well, he’s cuter. I’ll say that. The thing looks like a stuffed animal I’d expect to see in my sister’s room. And he doesn’t talk, which makes him less annoying for some, I’m sure. But what is his purpose? What does he add to the team outside of just being a pet that stands there & looks cute? He found the path to the Tower of Omens, sure, but anyone else on the team could have done that, unlike the picked lock that the Kittens got them through. I am going to go ahead & pick the 1985 version of the character as this new one has none of the heart & has contributed very little thus far, but time will tell if that changes.

I’ll post later with the other characters, namely Jaga, Claudis, Mumm-Ra, Grune, & Slithe.

Not to candy.

Interesting comparison and I agree with it for the most part. I am tending to lean towards the NS versions probably because they are new and can still be fleshed out over the next 20 episodes where as the OS versions are already established.

One thing I am 100% sure of is I love the NS version of Grune over the OS version.

I have my clips that compare some stuff from 1985 - 2011

Lion-O Ho!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7bhdwcAnH0&feature=channel_video_title

Mumm-Ra Transformation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiHozl3Hc0&feature=relmfu

I actually like the newer versions of the Thundercats compared to the old ones.

With Lion-O, I like that he is alot less arrogant and having Tygra as an older brother and his oddness compared to the other Thunderians really helped make him seem more down to earth compared to his 1985 version when at the same stage of development. As for the voice actors, I think Larry Kenney was excellent as Lion-O when he’s more mature but I think Will Friedle is better as a more immature Lion-O. I’ll have to wait for more episodes to see how Will Friedle handles a more mature/grown Lion-O but so far I think Larry Kenney will be the better of them in that aspect.

On Tygra, I agree with you 100% and don’t think anything needs to be added.

With Panthro, I like the 2011 version better but it’s a close one like you said. But for me the tipping point is Panthro’s feud with Grune going on in the 2011 show. I think it adds more depth to Panthro as well.

I’m tied on which version of Cheetara is better though but I will have to wait for more episodes to decide. I find it amusing that the 2011 Cheetara seems romantically interested in Lion-O and is the one putting the moves on him. I did like the 6th sense stuff the 1985 Cheetara had to deal with (though they made it overpowered much like the Sword of Omens) and hope the 2011 Cheetara has to deal with similar kinds of issues. If she does then that’ll make the 2011 Cheetara favored for me.

On the Thunderkittens, I agree with you 100% as well as they are the most improved in this series over their 1985 coutnerparts and it shows.

Finally, on Snarf, I prefer the 2011 version over the 1985 version easily. The 2011 version while it says ‘snarf’, it says it in a catlike version of a meow. The 1985 version was annoying as hell to me saying “snarf, snarf” all the time in that annoying tone of voice. I wouldn’t have minded the voice so much if it didn’t involve him sayin ‘snarf, snarf’ like every other sentence. That is much like in the Naruto anime where Naruto says ‘believe it’ all the time in the dub which is just as annoying.

I think I’m among the few who liked the 1985 version of Tygra. This Tygra is good, but I still miss some characteristics of the old one.
I think though, even when the 1985 and 2011 versions of him are like two sides of the same coin, that some basic characteristics are still there, like that you percieve a conflicted, introverted guy.

I like this Panthro more than the OS one. I also agree with Cheetara.

About the kittens, not sure though. The old ones had a funny, though sometimes annoying, thing around, that these two lack for me.

Lion-o… well, never been a fan of him lol

Definately OG Panthro over Bulkhead here.

OS Tygra definitely better.

MGP

Lion-O: In terms of characterization, Lion-O’s has always been the most dynamic. He starts out as young, brash and inexperienced. In TOS he usually would defer to Jaga the Wise or the other TCs but was known on many occasions to charge out alone with usually bad consequences. Darn good thing that they let him carry the Sword of Omens so that he could always call the other TCs to come bail him out of jams. The flipside of this was that he was exceptionally noble and brave and would often wind up being the one who saved the other TCs by the end of most episodes.

The NS Lion-O is made a king before his time. He is likewise young, brash and inexperienced. As he’s completely untested as a leader (especially in a crisis) he must prove himself to his peers. Unlike TOS Lion-O he doesn’t have the luxury of the complete faith and support of all the other TCs immediately. He has had to demand respect from the others and can come off as seemingly petulant and overbearing. But it really does fit into the scheme of thing wellld fels’right’ somehow. He also has noble qualities the the other TCs lack. His compassion with the Lizards in the pilot for example. This is siimply a more nuanced and deeper character in my view. Young Lion-O has a very tough road ahead of him in assuming the mantle of Lord of the TCs.

Now as to which I prefer at this point I have to lean towards 2011. This new Lion-O is simply a more robust character who will gradually become an awesome leader. He’s just not quite there yet. I am a little conflicted on this as I have always adored the OS cast’s characterizations. Larry Kenney really had the perfect hero’s voice that projected a young man’s confidence and power while coming into his own with a splash of Dudley Do-Right!

more thoughts on the other characters later… :panthro::tygra::wilykat::lynxo::pumyrahappy::cheetara:

Old vs. New

Lion-O : I like the 2011 one more. I think like others have said he is a more robust and complex character than the 85 version and he has so much room for development which I think we’ll see.

Tygra : I’m undecided as to which I like better. I like the way the new one is drawn but I don’t really care for how arrogant he is.

Panthro : I don’t like the 2011 Panthro being blind in one eye, that’s a serious weakness for a warrior, but other than that I like the NS Panthro better.

Cheetara : Definitely like the 2011 version better hands down no contest. She’s younger closer to Lion-O’s age and in both the OS and the NS there has always been a bit of a romantic thing between them. Plus I think the new one is sexier. I know she’s animated but hey…

The Thunder Kittens : I like the 2011 ones better hands down also.
Like Lion-O they seem to be more robust and complex. I like that they don’t start off as part of the Thundercats elite but are quickly proving there worth.

Waiting to see Begali, Pumyra and Lynx-O though.