TCs characteristics that don't match their "real" counterparts

[LiamABC]

@vkGX9w8s

Is there any discussion in the series about ancient history?

Not much. And all that from Mumm-Ra. And for that matter, a lot of it self-contradictory.

[Mark_M]

@LiamABC

Not much. And all that from Mumm-Ra. And for that matter, a lot of it self-contradictory.

Does that bit with King Arthur count?

[Tygra_Rules]

@vkGX9w8s

Just to clarify, you’re agreeing that the ThunderCats aren’t some natural evolution of Earth cats, right?

Right. I think they are a different kind from a different planet that had their own evolution.

[Tygra_Rules]

@NuudoruNoMasho

I like the “thematic” problem you mentioned (teamwork thing). Teamwork is a nice moral. But given the other cartoons of the time and the very individualized nature of the majority of cats it may have been refreshing to highlight the value of being self-sufficient(and not just the character main).

On tygra’s “shyness” thing, because I am a paranoid weirdo that imagines herself in unbelievable situations has looked up a lot of “how to not die when encountering wild animals”. Tigers are still sneakers. They like the ambush. If you notice them the wind is taken out of their sails… I get the “shy” thing. Might have been kinds neat to take that in a taijin kyfusho direction… HOWEVER you want a shy wild cat? Cheeta. Cheeta is a shy cat. Cheetas are super sensitive and nervous about stimulie so much so that they have to be given service dogs in Zoos to keep them calm.

A thought on pumyra as I live in mountain-lion country. We cross paths on occasion. The fact that there wasn’t a magicalization of a catamount’s Banshee grade scream (not roar… scream) is a tragedy in my mind.

I like your input on cheetas, so true. They’re like the underdogs in the cats’ world, and they’re really shy indeed. They even run away from the other big cats (lions and leopards). I’m not sure about tigers being “shy” though, they’re strategic and cautious, but can’t say if that equals being shy.

I don’t completely get your point about Pumyra but, given that only the big cats (lions, tigers, leopards and jaguars) roar while all the other cats purr, Cheetara and Pumyra (and maybe even the kittens and Lynx-O) might have had a more “mellow” voice.

[NuudoruNoMasho]

@Tygra_Rules

I like your input on cheetas, so true. They’re like the underdogs in the cats’ world, and they’re really shy indeed. They even run away from the other big cats (lions and leopards). I’m not sure about tigers being “shy” though, they’re strategic and cautious, but can’t say if that equals being shy.

I don’t completely get your point about Pumyra but, given that only the big cats (lions, tigers, leopards and jaguars) roar while all the other cats purr, Cheetara and Pumyra (and maybe even the kittens and Lynx-O) might have had a more “mellow” voice.

Shy: Yeah, that’s why I specifically mentioned Taijin Kyofusho(It’s the only one I think would work, give it a look up). Tigers, as you said, are THE big powerful cat but they are super chill (comparatively). I don’t like a character to be OP myself and if you HAD to give him a personal weakness and it HAD to be related to social anxiety (Good idea for a twist) Taijin Kyofusho I like because I can see how it would make sense despite being big, powerfull, and chill… Although it would not make sense at ALL in the episode where we get his exposition on being shy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxo8X5uIWRE

That’s the casual scream.

[LiamABC]

What’s OP mean?

[NuudoruNoMasho]

@LiamABC

What’s OP mean?

“Over Powered” Gaming acronym. Sorreh^^

[vkGX9w8s]

@Tygra_Rules

@vkGX9w8s

Just to clarify, you’re agreeing that the ThunderCats aren’t some natural evolution of Earth cats, right?

Right. I think they are a different kind from a different planet that had their own evolution.

My question was only meant to clarify whether there was an assumption that the ThunderCats were naturally descended from Earth cats, which I argued couldn’t be the case (instead requiring genetic engineering). I certainly didn’t mean to imply that they were descended from a native Thunderan cat-like species. Perhaps the “cartoon logic” was that they were true aliens, but it’s more plausible to assume (in lieu of hard evidence to the contrary) that humanoid life spread out from Earth ages before, hence cat and human features on an alien world. I think it may have been left a mystery intentionally, to add mystique and relieve the burden of having to come up with anything that might restrict future writing.

[NuudoruNoMasho]

@vkGX9w8s

My question was only meant to clarify whether there was an assumption that the ThunderCats were naturally descended from Earth cats, which I argued couldn’t be the case (instead requiring genetic engineering). I certainly didn’t mean to imply that they were descended from a native Thunderan cat-like species. Perhaps the “cartoon logic” was that they were true aliens, but it’s more plausible to assume (in lieu of hard evidence to the contrary) that humanoid life spread out from Earth ages before, hence cat and human features on an alien world. I think it may have been left a mystery intentionally, to add mystique and relieve the burden of having to come up with anything that might restrict future writing.

"why is this thing the exact same thing as stuff in our real world in some places and not in others. " Fourth wall reference jump off point. Remixing reality. This is very often used in stories that wish to illicit “tangential learning.” The more you know about the subjects they are referencing, the deeper an experience you get from the show.

This thread is tangential learning at it’s finest. This is what they did well, this is where it skewed(seriously love when it skews,it can be very funny), how can we make that make sense. They did a decent job of it considering it’s limitations. I mean they didn’t even have the internet for research purposes. I’ve done research the old fashioned way, it ain’t conducive for an animation production pipeline AND they had to write for the layman-est of layman (well… they thought they had to). I forgive most inaccuracies for the old show for that reason… and I like to make it make sense myself. Flex the creative problem solving neurons.

I like your notion that there was some fiddle faddle with earth expanding and that might be why they look similar and have earth like qualities (or… vice versa). Little-red-riding-tool had been screwing around with other planets long before the cats showed up, evidently, so a connection isn’t out of the question. They wouldn’t have done anything with it because “status quo is god”.

[vkGX9w8s]

@NuudoruNoMasho

"why is this thing the exact same thing as stuff in our real world in some places and not in others. " Fourth wall reference jump off point. Remixing reality. This is very often used in stories that wish to illicit “tangential learning.” The more you know about the subjects they are referencing, the deeper an experience you get from the show.

This thread is tangential learning at it’s finest. This is what they did well, this is where it skewed(seriously love when it skews,it can be very funny), how can we make that make sense. They did a decent job of it considering it’s limitations. I mean they didn’t even have the internet for research purposes. I’ve done research the old fashioned way, it ain’t conducive for an animation production pipeline AND they had to write for the layman-est of layman (well… they thought they had to). I forgive most inaccuracies for the old show for that reason… and I like to make it make sense myself. Flex the creative problem solving neurons.

I like your notion that there was some fiddle faddle with earth expanding and that might be why they look similar and have earth like qualities (or… vice versa). Little-red-riding-tool had been screwing around with other planets long before the cats showed up, evidently, so a connection isn’t out of the question. They wouldn’t have done anything with it because “status quo is god”.

I’m having some trouble following what you wrote. (Maybe it’s just me, but it seems that you’re using flowery language with little actual content.) However, I get the impression that you’re in favor of working out more realistic explanations for the unexplained bits in the show. With that in mind, here’s my reply:

My view is that if we are to treat the subject matter as believable enough to warrant an intellectual discussion, then what we propose as explanation must be entirely believable. (Now, please do not misunderstand what I mean by “believable”. Someone can choose to believe he can fart-out unicorns, and I’m sure his faith in that would be unshakable, but what I’m talking about is sticking closely with known science.)

Yes, we can recognize that the writers were imperfect, and that they were trying to write a thrilling show for children, but that doesn’t mean we should praise their inaccuracies and mistakes as some mark of creative genius. Where they were wrong (or downright silly), perhaps we (with our better knowledge today) should attempt to pick up the slack by patching the holes with things based more on reality than on fantasy.

I don’t see anything wrong with saying “ThunderCats would have been better if…”, provided that it brings the series more in line with the laws of the universe.

[NuudoruNoMasho]

@vkGX9w8s

I’m having some trouble following what you wrote. (Maybe it’s just me, but it seems that you’re using flowery language with little actual content.) However, I get the impression that you’re in favor of working out more realistic explanations for the unexplained bits in the show. With that in mind, here’s my reply:

My view is that if we are to treat the subject matter as believable enough to warrant an intellectual discussion, then what we propose as explanation must be entirely believable. (Now, please do not misunderstand what I mean by “believable”. Someone can choose to believe he can fart-out unicorns, and I’m sure his faith in that would be unshakable, but what I’m talking about is sticking closely with known science.)

Yes, we can recognize that the writers were imperfect, and that they were trying to write a thrilling show for children, but that doesn’t mean we should praise their inaccuracies and mistakes as some mark of creative genius. Where they were wrong (or downright silly), perhaps we (with our better knowledge today) should attempt to pick up the slack by patching the holes with things based more on reality than on fantasy.

I don’t see anything wrong with saying “ThunderCats would have been better if…”, provided that it brings the series more in line with the laws of the universe.

Ah it’s good you mentioned Reality vs. fantasy. A lot of the holes that are being mentioned can often times be attributed to science butting heads with literature/symbolism (I could start another thread from that angle and go on a tirade about “vulture king.” I’d put it the WTF moments but I think I might be alone there). This show tried to teach both and anyone who doesn’t have a handle on both is gonna be caught a bit off guard. For example. Tygra is pulling double duty. He is Tiger but he might also be an Alice allusion. Where tiger and cheshire butt heads is unsettling if you don’t know the other is present.

[Mark_M]

I would have loved to have seen Lion-O as a more powerful and experienced leader and been more like the king of the jungle.