I think that in part 1 of “Thundercubs”, Jaga was in a fight with the Sword of Plun-Darr’s previous owner Ratilla and refused to kill him because it went against the Code. If anyone has seen this episode and it’s true please reply.
Just saw the episode, and yes, he says the code doesn’t permit him.
But that episode..seems kinda plotholesie.. Mumm-Ra says “When Lion-O was just a mere cub and Jaga was at his prime.” Also…wasn’t Claudus supposed to be active lord by then? Why is Jaga.. Nvm answering either, just pointing them out as to how credible this episode can be..
On the topic of the morality of killing going against the Code. Screw the code if there is no other choice and you’re doing it for the better good, not personal gain. This is the route NS Lion-O would most likely go.
Hell, has the Code even been mentioned in the NS? o.0
I don’t remembet the code saying sanything about killing, neither giving a hint about it. It was justice, truth, honor, loyalty… nothing about no killing there ![]()
Just because they have a few words to represent the basic precepts of the code doesn’t mean the code doesn’t also include other ideas and rules. “Truth, Justice, Honor, Loyalty” were just the main themes of the code. IMO.
For example not killing could be included within either Justice or Honor.
Yeah… might be.
BUT, what if someone (a Thuderian, that is) considers killing a person to be the fair thing to do, or a matter of honor? ![]()
In the Original Series, Unholy Alliance, Jaga tells Lion-O that the Sword will not kill wantonly (Lion-O wanted to kill an animal to get something other than space rations to eat). I always took it to mean that it is wrong to kill “just for fun” but if in self-defense or by accident it would be understandable.
As for the New Series, I have heard no reference to the code at all.
I believed that in the case of our story, whenever the Thunderats would kill anyone, it would be within the Code as it’s clear that Slithor and many of those who follow him are evil, and therefore it’s justified as it’s for the greater good. Besides, since this war was part of the long game being played between the ASOE and the ASOG, it could be argued that it’s within the “rules.”
In Lion-O’s case, I rationalized the Sword would let him kill because 1) He’s avenging Snarf’s death. The death of an innocent who willingly gave their life I think would especially allow for this. 2) As mentioned, Slithor and his minions are evil. Slithor himself clearly is, and while his soldiers may only be “following orders,” they’re still doing so willingly and ergo agree with his motives and philosophy. So again, Lion-O using the Sword on them would be in line with that.
Agreed as well. I think the new Lion-O is capable of taking a life and think he has already done so. Not because he doesn’t believe in justice, but because he is in war and it’s kill or be killed. They seem to be taking a slightly more realistic approach with this series in that way.
Could be. I would agree that a nanny could be more of a parent to a child than their actual parents.
I love stew. Takes awhile to make but it’s so good!
Are you talking about how he ate on 3rd Earth? 'Cause I figured that was mainly due to them being refugees on a foreign planet and having to find food for themselves.
I think they talked about that in the special features on the DVD’s. Some parent advisory council back in the 80’s thought cartoons were too violent and ThunderCats was praised for bringing the kind of show it did without the violence and with the moral message in each episode.
I can imagine you and Ocelli writing your fan fics for children and telling them stories. ![]()
True. Justice implies not taking the law into their own hands and executing someone but to allow them a fair trial. It doesn’t mean that the ThunderCats didn’t have a death penalty.
But I will say that as a kid, if I saw the ThunderCats perform an execution, I would have probably been extremely upset.
I don’t know if our stories would be exactly suitable for kids. Unless they would be the same kinds of stories Gomez and Morticia Addams would tell their children. ![]()
Personally, I wonder sometimes if the story Oceill and I cooked-up is really any good. I joke that all it is, really, is the product of an imagination that grew up watching stuff like Star Wars, Flash Gordon, Aliens, Star Trek and Japanese Sci-Fi movies and listening to bands like Iron Maiden, Dio, Metallica and Megadeth one too many times.
And usually works like that turn out one of two ways: a work of lunatic genius or an incomprehensible mess. (Can you tell I’m way too harsh on myself?)
Maybe if you two started watching more TeleTubbies… :eek: Wait, no, scratch that. Maybe if you two started watching more The Wiggles… :eek: Um, maybe that’s not a good idea either. Barney… no…
The Littles! ![]()
It sounds like an interesting combination. ![]()
Come to think of it The Addams family did have a Saturday morning cartoon in the early 90s.
Cartoons where different in the 90’s.
By today’s dumb standards you could say, they “let alot slide”.
Actually, the Addams Family had an animated series before that which was made by Hanna-Barbera in the '70s.
You think they let a lot slide in the '90s? Granted, the cartoons that came out in that time were way better than what came out in '80s (I’m thinking of a lot of the stuff by Warner Bros. like Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, Pinky & The Brain, Freakazoid as well as the whole Disney ouvre). But man, you should see some of the stuff that came out in the '60s.
Check out some of Hanna-Barbera’s adventure shows like the old Jonny Quest, or the original Space Ghost and Herculoids. They weren’t shy about showing the bad guys getting blown-up onscreen.
Hell, some of the Japanese shows that came out at the time were even more outrageous! There was one show called Johnny Sokko & His Flying Robot. In that show, among other things, you would see cities getting destroyed, lots of explosions, kids being put in harm’s way, gunplay, and even smoking! :eek: None of that would fly on kids’ TV today. Seeing it as a kid, though, I had no problem with it. I may have been real young but I knew that when a giant monster showed up in a city, some buildings were going to get demolished. And that when people pulled out guns and started shooting at each other, people were going to get shot and probably die. And as for smoking, well, I saw my parents do it, so I knew it was something people did. But I also knew enough to know it wasn’t something I wanted to do (and still don’t). None of it ever scarred me for life or warped my sense of morality. So whenever I hear about people getting all worked-up about the violence in TV, movies or video games, I honestly believe they’re overreacting.
And it’s also why I probably look down my nose at a lot of '80s cartoons that were notorious for dancing around the issue of violence. Because I felt they were really being dishonest.