Has anyone seen these before?

Yeah I’m not that sold on the new character drawings, there was nothing wrong with the originals in my opinion, they just could’ve used a more updated look.. maybe in close resemblance to what we’ve seen with the comics?

But if WB does actually make a new series, I have a feeling its probably going to suck. Remember what happend with the new MOTU? That lasted like.. six months, and the new TMNT pretty much sucks all together.

All in all, I just hope they dont try to dumb it down so much for this generation of kids.. I would hope think of the 20+ group when considering character designs as well as compelling storylines, and really thats what it all comes down to in the end.. good storytelling.

mumm-ra looked pretty kool actually. they made him sinister enough lol. but lion-o im not too thrilled with. i thnk he need much more muscle. theyve got to find a better way of making him seem like a kid in a mna’s body than to make him look like a punk teenager lol. but as has ben mentioned this is just concept art and im guessing in the early stages so perhaps some improvements will come eventually.
-bdt

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mumm-ra looked pretty kool actually. they made him sinister enough lol. but lion-o im not too thrilled with. i thnk he need much more muscle.-bdt
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That seems to be a general opinion from what I’ve seen from here and over at the he-man.org forums. I’m expecting change with a new series so if they want to make Lion-O look different from the other male Cats I’ll learn to live with it. I’m sure when/if the new show surfaces the designs won’t look anything like what we see here and we will have to endure another set of changes.

Lion O doesnt really bother me too much, and I actually quite like the design. I hate the Mumm-Ra one though, he just looks like a big thug, which is not what Mumm-Ra is. Even when he was muscled in the cartoon, he had his helmet and cape and a regal look to him.

Mumm-Ra = Good
Lion-o = Bad…

Kudos to them for not changing the sword design, however.. The Design itself isn’t bad for a new character, but for Lion-O, no way..
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I think the designs are hideous.

They scream “I’m trying too hard to be hip and trendy.” On par with WB’s embarrassingly bad Loonatics designs. If this is what the characters end up looking like, I’ll pass.

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I can confirm “Unofficially” that around 10 to 12 artists were asked to do some concept sketches for the new show. This is actually the second time they have done this with the last being in 2003-4 on a smaller scale. I am working on getting some kind of “official” comment but it is really hush hush right now and nothing is ready for press release. From the little I have been told from my source there is something going on…
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I’m digging these designs…hard! Love 'em

I’ve got a pal at Kids WB that let me know about that first round of development awhile back..but he said at the time it was a dead end. They actually have done this every two years for the past six years or so, lol. It never pans out. Not to sound pessimistic..I’m sure it’ll come to pass eventually..its just been in development hell for a long while…and with the elimination of after school cartoons on WB and the merge with CBS/UPN, who knows what will come of it. I will certainly keep my ear to the ground!

I originally saw these pics posted on the He-man.org forums.

Like many, I’m not sold on them and I think that they deviate too much from the original concept. But, I will go further into my opinions of that in a minute.

I read through what was being said about these pics they are posted on a message board. From all indications, even the artist, himself, wasn’t thrilled with the changes. He basically took the job because he is a huge T-Cats fan and wanted to be involved with the project. Then the executives or whatever kept on saying what they wanted changed and what-not, and he came up with what he could based on what they were requesting, while trying to stay as true to the original material as possible. All in all he didn’t want the changes, but he had no choice, and he just wanted to be involved (and I can understand that).

Mumm-ra needs some work. A headdress would do wonders for making him look more like the 80s counterpart. Part of what I don’t like is that in the description on that other message board, apparently the idea that the people at WB were coming up with was that Mumm-ra could and would occasionally revert to his mummy form, but that the version that we see in the drawing would be his primary form. Now, I can deal with the idea that he doesn’t have any bandages when he is in this more powerful form, but to not have him be in the mummy form very often is just absurd. He is MUMM-RA. He is supposed to be a MUMMY.

I’m not digging the face because he doesn’t look very smart. That combined with the bat-wings make him look like he should be some kind of lacky warrior gargoyle that Mumm-ra commands, rather than being Mumm-ra, himself. Again, I think the headdress would help a bit, but some more work would need to be done.

As far as Lion-O goes, my main beef is his hair. He doesn’t look much like a lion. They really would need to work on his hair to give him more of a lion’s mane. And I would buff him up a bit as well. Even if they want to go with this younger concept for the character, they could still give him some of the muscles that the original version had.

I do like the fact that the ‘cat’ aspect of him is a bit more prominent. In the original series, while they did have their cat features, The more human-like features of the T-Cats seemed to dominate a little more than they should. So, this is one change that I like.

As far as comparing this to 200X MOTU, I still think this could work without deviating too much from the base concept. The reason 200X MOTU didn’t work isn’t so much because they tried to stay true to the characters. While I like it a lot, the new series was kind of dry. It lacked the humor of the original, which I think is a central ingrediant for a kids show. They can still have plenty of actions and serious plots while having humor and NOT making it campy in the process. Such balances do exist. MOTU also almost focused too much on secondary characters. It was nice to see more of those characters than we did in the original 80s MOTU show, but they really didn’t devlop the He-man character enough as a result.

Then aside from the show itself, 200X MOTU suffered from being on cable, having toys that were hard to find, and just having an overall lack of promotion and advertising. If anything, the reason it didn’t succeed isn’t because of the ways it stayed true to the original, but rather it was because of the ways that it deviated. The original toon and toy line had TONS of advertising promotion, and the show had humor and heart. All of these things were almost absent from the new series.

T-Cats could still have a great come back. And they don’t have to completely reinvent the wheel because of it. They just have to promote themselves well and do a good job of maintaining a good balance. Sure, some change is good and not everything should remain 100% the same. But, they shouldn’t go so far from the source material that it practically becomes unrecognizable. If they are going to do that, then they may as well just come up with something completely new and not bother resurrecting Thundercats. If they find a good balance between everything, it will work.

Howdy

Ewww, not liking these designs, it looks to generic for my liking, see thats what was good about 80’s toons, you knew your He-Man from your Thundercats from your Transformers etc.

A lot of cartoons that are on Cartoon Network use this new style and I am not much for it. I could barely cope with He-Man 200X.

Also, both Mumm-Ra and Lion-O look wrong, atleast…for the most part…the new He-Man characters looked cool (there were some sickners - Mer-Man for example) but these don’t do the originals justice as many people have already stated.

First Mumm-Ra, well lets just if I had seen this picture without the name Thundercats next to the pic I never would have guessed who it was, in my opinon that is bad. To spur interest you want people to be able to recognise starightaway who the intended character is a redesigned version of. Also wings? I know I haven’t seen Thundercats in well years but I can never remember Mumm-Ra having wings? Yeah Mumm-Ra for all intents and purposes looks the worse out of the two.

Lion-O, while looking horrible I know who it is ‘trying’ be but this doesn’t make the character design appealing. He looks like a cocky teenager who thinks he knows everything and can beat anyone…not a good role model. Also he is a little skinny, against that Mumm-Ra he needs to becarful he doesn’t get snapped in two, get the cat some fish or milk or something.

I am very happy these ideas were abandoned as they don’t work…hey who knows if WB had the sense to reject these maybe the new show will be good unlike the DVD’s of the classic show.

While I hate the idea of old toons getting an update…spin off…remake or whatever I hope it turns out to be good and focus on story and not action.

Chris M